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Re: [ee4j-community] Oracle Java EE8 Issue Tracker Abandonment

I've read this discussion and I think that Eric position interesting. While Java is stopped on time for the fact of burocracy , many developers and companies are leaving the ship.Â

On Dec 3, 2017 15:18, "Werner Keil" <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
At the moment you only see the PMC members:Âhttps://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ee4j/who, but soon enough there should be stats like the pretty cluttered one for MicroProfile:Âhttps://projects.eclipse.org/projects/technology.microprofile/who Without a clear separation into sub-projects things can get messy rather soon, but vendors are also listed. And the project stats show which vendor really contributes.Â

As for downstream users who may not contribute, guess there is work to do. I know, MicroProfile plans a list of implementations. Check the Google Group for more, but it is still a bit of a work in progress, especially backing claims of support in a transparent way e.g. showing actual TCK results from a CI server would be good. Now that TCKs should be available in the open, nothing should prevent vendors who claim to be compatible with MicroProfile Feature X or EE4J Feature Y to show everyone their product really does pass those tests.

Werner



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Today's Topics:

 Â1. Initial Committer Lists & Project Meritocracy (John D. Ament)
 Â2. Re: Oracle Java EE8 Issue Tracker Abandonment (reza_rahman)


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Subject: [ee4j-community] Initial Committer Lists & Project
    Meritocracy
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All,

I want to raise a comment on one of the proposals to this group, to make
sure its not lost and see if PMC members or other committers have any
comments on it.

Mark Thomas raised a comment about Initial Committers, and how they seem to
be missing some Expert Group members:
https://projects.eclipse.org/comment/252#comment-252

I'm wondering, as well, are expert group members encouraged to sign up?
Should they be explicitly solicited to join the projects?

Likewise, for the RI projects, how are the initial committers gathered? As
a for instance, if I compare the OpenMQ contributor list and initial
committers:

https://github.com/javaee/openmq/graphs/contributors
https://projects.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-openmq

They seem to be misaligned. In other organizations, I recommend new
projects to limit initial committers to those who are actively working on
the project, and work on community building to add potential new
contributors to the project after the fact; typically after they've
established a level of meritocracy on the project.

John
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Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 11:48:38 -0500
From: reza_rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Oracle Java EE8 Issue Tracker
    Abandonment
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To be clear, it's not the migration any one is really worried about. It is what happens to each of these technologies after the migration is complete that pretty much every customer is worried about.
What would help is a simple list of which major vendor is committed to moving which technology forward and when they would like to see a new revision, ideally. It is legitimately unnerving for people to have technologies that their business applications depend upon be subject to high levels of uncertainty.
I have no honest answers at the moment. That is highly problematic for anyone advocating Java EE. The community will take care of it is not a credible answer long term.
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-------- Original message --------From: Markus KARG <markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 12/3/17Â 3:03 AMÂ (GMT-05:00) To: 'EE4J community discussions' <ee4j-community@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Oracle Java EE8 Issue Tracker Abandonment
Reza,?be assured, behind the scenes people do work on the migration. At least I do know that for some of the projects, in particular Jersey. A first bunch of projects is currently in progress, other bunches will follow. But yes, certainly it would be really great to have a weekly updated web site showing the content that is currently moved and the particular progress (like "Jersey: xx%") so this is publicly trackable. I CC'ed PMC head Ivar Grimstad about this, maybe he can trigger the Eclipse Foundation to set up such a web site??-Markus??From: ee4j-community-bounces@eclipse.org [mailto:ee4j-community-bounces@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Reza Rahman
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Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Oracle Java EE8 Issue Tracker Abandonment?This is a very real concern for many customers. We heard the same concern at JavaOne during EE4J discussions. As I have said for a while now, the best way to address this is a realistic roadmap for EE4J including some kind of commitment, hopefully including from Oracle, as to who is taking ownership of moving which Java EE specification forward. Simply continuing to say it will take time to figure out risks people continuing to worry more and more about the future of Java EE.?At least a simple list of who wants to move which specification forward should not be so hard for a technology and market as mature as Java EE.

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On Dec 2, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Eric Taylor <etay5995@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Does anyone want to address the issue of the abandonment of the Issue Trackers for major EE8 specifications? Specifically the Jersey and Yasson issue trackers seem to be dead or dying. I briefly corresponded with Dmitry Kornilov regarding the state of the Jersey issue tracker, and essentially he told me that most of the original employee developers are no longer contributing or even working at Oracle any more. He told me he was working on finding new developers, but this was over a month ago and frankly I have begun to think that Java EE8 is heading down the neglected path that EE7 was on. Issues are piling up and there is no communication between developers to even help facilitate patching and submitting pull requests. Does Oracle have any responsibility left in this, or have they just dumped Java EE8 in the Eclipse Foundation's hands and said "Good luck!"??Is there a central point of contact regarding EE8 or is comm
Âunication fragmented across each specification? Should I abandon server side Java and just start using server side _javascript_ (node.js)? Just kidding on the last part. ;)?Thanks,Eric_______________________________________________
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