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I think this is worth trying also, but not sure it addresses Andrew's goal of learning from other IDE experiences.
On that point I agree with others. Not sure how interesting that will be to the general audience. But there was a talk, two years ago about running netbeans on Equinox (http://eclipsecon.org/2012/sessions/experiences-building-fastest-osgi-container-planet). Even though the talk was a major flop (because the speaker's laptop had an irrecoverable crash 15 minutes before the talk) the room was very full and there seemed to be a lot of interest from the attendees. Of coarse it may have been the OSGi devcon crowd and not the general "eclipse" crowd. I only remember that I was surprised by the number of folks that showed up for the talk.
I have a hard time imagining a speaker involved in other IDEs that is motivated to speak at an EclipseCon in order to help Eclipse improve. The netbeans related talk I mentioned above would not have compared the two IDEs at all, instead it was purely a low-level performance talk.
Tom
John Arthorne ---09/23/2013 01:10:28 PM---I'm helping organize a Hackathon like this for EclipseCon Europe this year:
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Maybe we can put this into action with a contest about the coolest Eclipse IDE extension / modification and have one session where we present them? Perhaps 5 minutes per enhancement?
I think that would be fun for the audience. If Andrew likes that idea, I would be more than happy to co-organize that with him.
Am 23.09.2013 08:15 schrieb "Ian Skerrett" <ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
Could we do a panel on IDEs?
I am not exactly sure what you mean by Workshop? We can certainly look at doing something.
FWIW, I tend to agree with Pascal most of the EclipseCon attendees aren’t interested in these types of discussions. Also very frankly, there seems to be a lot of discussion but very little action so I am also interested in how more discussion actually leads to action.
Ian
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Subject: Re: [eclipsecon-na-program-committee] Interesting and possibly controversial idea
Points well taken. Let me respond:
1. My thoughts are that these talks would be coming from the developers of these tools and targeting other tools developers. My understanding is that a large portion of attendees are tools developers themselves, so this would seem appropriate and interesting material for these kinds of attendees.
2. I don't think that these presentations would necessarily show anything about sucking. These IDEs are using very different strategies than the Eclipse IDE does. And at least one of them takes a large amount of its inspiration from Eclipse. If done right, these talks would be inspirational and point to new directions that Eclipse could take.
I do agree that we need to solicit the right kind of talk that would be productive for both the presenter as well as attendees and one that wouldn't degrade into a pissing contest.
That being said, I think a workshop might be an interesting place for this kind of discussion. Does EclipseCon normally host workshops like this?
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Pascal Rapicault <pascal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
As an attendee of the conference, what would be the value for me of such a track?
Also is this really also in the interest of the community to show how much we suck and show that they could just use better tools? Aren't we cutting the branch we are sitting on?
That said, I would like to hear and see what others are doing so maybe a workshop would be a better venue for this.
On 09/20/2013 05:28 PM, Andrew Eisenberg wrote:
There has been a lot of discussion lately (in public and in private) about the future of Eclipse as an IDE as well as its shortcomings compared to competitors. So, in the spirit of openness I am proposing an "alternative IDE day" (or track). Here we would solicit talks from developers of non-Eclipse based IDEs, hear their experiences and about technical decisions, and hopefully learn a lot (there is a lot to learn from these different perspectives).
I wouldn't want any of these sessions to deteriorate into a real-life flame war and I do think there is a lot that the Eclipse community can learn from this.
I also don't think having an entire day or track is necessary, but at least extending invites to other IDEs might be sufficient.
Thoughts?
Andrew
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