| Re: [eclipsecon-na-program-committee] Interesting and possibly controversial idea |
Maybe we can put this into action with a contest about the coolest Eclipse IDE extension / modification and have one session where we present them? Perhaps 5 minutes per enhancement?
I think that would be fun for the
audience. If Andrew likes that idea, I would be more than happy to co-organize
that with him.
Am 23.09.2013 08:15 schrieb "Ian
Skerrett" <ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
Could we do a panel on IDEs?
I am not exactly sure what
you mean by Workshop? We can certainly look at doing something.
FWIW, I tend to agree with
Pascal most of the EclipseCon attendees aren’t interested in these types
of discussions. Also very frankly, there seems to be a lot of discussion
but very little action so I am also interested in how more discussion actually
leads to action.
Ian
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Points well taken. Let me
respond:
1. My thoughts are that these talks
would be coming from the developers of these tools and targeting other
tools developers. My understanding is that a large portion of attendees
are tools developers themselves, so this would seem appropriate and interesting
material for these kinds of attendees.
2. I don't think that these presentations
would necessarily show anything about sucking. These IDEs are using
very different strategies than the Eclipse IDE does. And at least
one of them takes a large amount of its inspiration from Eclipse. If
done right, these talks would be inspirational and point to new directions
that Eclipse could take.
I do agree that we need to solicit
the right kind of talk that would be productive for both the presenter
as well as attendees and one that wouldn't degrade into a pissing contest.
That being said, I think a workshop
might be an interesting place for this kind of discussion. Does EclipseCon
normally host workshops like this?
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 9:50 AM,
Pascal Rapicault <pascal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
As an attendee of the conference,
what would be the value for me of such a track?
Also is this really also in the interest of the community to show how much
we suck and show that they could just use better tools? Aren't we cutting
the branch we are sitting on?
That said, I would like to hear and see what others are doing so maybe
a workshop would be a better venue for this.
On 09/20/2013 05:28 PM, Andrew Eisenberg wrote:
There has been a lot of discussion
lately (in public and in private) about the future of Eclipse as an IDE
as well as its shortcomings compared to competitors. So, in the spirit
of openness I am proposing an "alternative IDE day" (or track).
Here we would solicit talks from developers of non-Eclipse based
IDEs, hear their experiences and about technical decisions, and hopefully
learn a lot (there is a lot to learn from these different perspectives).
I wouldn't want any of these sessions
to deteriorate into a real-life flame war and I do think there is a lot
that the Eclipse community can learn from this.
I also don't think having an entire
day or track is necessary, but at least extending invites to other IDEs
might be sufficient.
Thoughts?
Andrew
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