Yes, it should be Eclipse focussed. I just think it's more interesting to have a look at the tool from the user's point of view as from the IDE developer's point of view. The same goes for talks on other development tools: I want to see how a code coverage tool integrates with my existing project setup and how it helps me. Understanding how such a plug-in was developed might also be interesting to some, but many more attendees do Java development with Eclipse on a daily basis. Where should I found out about new cool tools helping me, if not at EclipseCon?
Regarding the Java talks: I think it's important for the community to keep up with how Java is developed today. We need to stay fresh. So while it shouldn't be a main focus, I think it's very valuable to have a couple of general "how can I improve my Java" talks. I gave these kind of talks at EclipseCon's and they were always well attended. So there's interest.
Sven
On Nov 22, 2011, at 10:55 PM, Schaefer, Doug wrote: It’s just that I think we need to keep the focus on Eclipse, no? Even the Java talks are iffy as content, especially if we have enough really good Eclipse focused content. Doug. From: eclipsecon-na-program-committee-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:eclipsecon-na-program-committee-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sven Efftinge
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Subject: Re: [eclipsecon-na-program-committee] Finished voting Yes, there are only two of them. I might be too involved with that topic, but I think JVM languages are a huge topic these days. At Devoxx they had a whole track on this and there's a lot going on in the blogosphere and on twitter recently. I'm pretty sure that most people are more interested in the language then how they built the editor, but in the end I'd be happy with any of the two talks. On Nov 22, 2011, at 10:06 PM, John Arthorne wrote:
> Sven Efftinge <sven.efftinge@xxxxxxxxx> >
> I think we should accept at least one of the three Ceylon submissions. > My favorite is Ceylon - the language and its tools which currently
> has a 3.4 (I voted 5). That's a good one to bring up. I only found two on Ceylon: [1] http://www.eclipsecon.org/2012/sessions/ceylon-language-and-its-tools [2] http://www.eclipsecon.org/2012/sessions/behind-scenes-ceylon-ide Both talks are by the same authors, and I really didn't want to see both. Personally either one of those is fine with me, but I picked [2] and voted down [1] to avoid the duplication. My reasoning is there are likely only a small number of people interested in Ceylon specifically (every week there is a new language), but lots of people wanting to write their own tooling who might like a "behind the scenes" look at the tooling. But in the end it looks like the PC voted more in favour of [1], so I am happy to switch. Again my goal was avoiding duplication rather than a specific problem with the talk. We should probably just ask the authors to withdraw one talk, and tweak the abstract of the other one to suit the material they feel is important to cover. Ironically I suspect they entered two talks to "increase their odds" but in the end hurt their chances by doing so. John_______________________________________________ eclipsecon-na-program-committee mailing list eclipsecon-na-program-committee@xxxxxxxxxxxhttp://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/eclipsecon-na-program-committee _______________________________________________ eclipsecon-na-program-committee mailing list eclipsecon-na-program-committee@xxxxxxxxxxxhttp://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/eclipsecon-na-program-committee
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