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RE: [eclipse.org-planning-council] A suggested topic for Planning Council Discussion

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> [mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ed
> Merks
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:44 PM
> 
> Scott,
> 
> I think we need to address all these needs.  It's just not clear that a
> one
> size fits all train does the job any better than a small tent makes a good
> t-shirt just because it "fits" everyone.    We can't just live in an
> idealistic world where all projects are equal because it's just not
> reality.  (I can't believe I'm arguing against idealism, but it seems
> necessary.)  I think Doug's idea has merit.  I think there need to be
> folks
> who take responsibilities for the packages.  That takes dedication and
> resource.   It seems to me that those who are so dedicated and who cough
> up
> the resource will be in the position to define what's in and what's not...

I'm not sure that would give the results we need. I think the resources
making the product decisions have to represent the good of the membership as
a whole. I worry about the natural biases that employees have to their
employers (it's certainly career limiting if you don't have such a bias).

No I think this would have to be someone responsible to the whole board and
membership. Hey, like EMO employees are ;)

Doug

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>              11/02/2007 02:29          Re: [eclipse.org-planning-council]
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> 
> Hi Doug,
> 
> Doug Schaefer wrote:
>       The point is to raise the quality perception of Eclipse in the
>       marketplace, i.e., beat NetBeans (and for my community, be as good
> as
>       Visual Studio). Nothing changes to the train and its current
>       operation. This is more an addition for those projects who want and
>       need to work at addressing these issues.
> 
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> 
> I understand this point.  But that's not the only purpose/strategic goal
> for EF projects (to beat NetBeans/Visual Studio).  Other projects have
> other needs...like further distribution/popularization, emerging/new
> technical areas for tooling, enabling RCP apps, etc.  I don't think these
> are inherently any less important to the community as a whole (e.g.
> committer community, user community, etc).
> 
> 
>       The process for managing these products needs to be open just like
>       everything else in Eclipse.
> 
> 
> 
> I agree.
> 
>       But depending on what we?re trying to achieve strategically, some
>       components would end up not making the cut, just like in the ?real?
>       world (been there, done that, i.e. been cut, its just part of doing
>       business).
> 
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> But the last I checked, EF wasn't a business.   So who decides who doesn't
> 'make the cut'?
> 
> Scott
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