| Re: [eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee] Build and Continuous Integration Tentative Accept |
Dave Wayne Beaton wrote:
I don't think that p2 necessarily belongs in a Build stream.I have to admit a little concern that we are just siloing talks using different categorizations. Sure some talks/tutorials cross boundaries, but I still get the sense that we're staking out territories.I don't think that we necessarily have to bump something out of "Build" to make a p2 tutorial fit, but we may have to bump something. Perhaps after the dust has settled and we have a sense for all the tutorials that we need to cram into the space available, we can rank them all as a group and decide collectively which tutorials we need to have at EclipseCon 2010 rather than trying to decide from the comfort of our various silos.At the end of the day, I believe that we need to have a p2 tutorial. Wayne David Carver wrote:I think P2 is important, but it is only a part of the build story. Yes provisioning is important, but only a piece and a step in the overall build story. Can you build and use plugins with out P2, sure.If we can find the time, and somebody wants to drop another Tutorial to make way for it then by all means. But I think technologies like Buckminster, Buildr for OSGI, Athena, and Maven/Tycho are just as important to the community as a whole, and cover a much wider story in Build and Continuous Integration.I would favor even 50 minutes 1 hour hands one sessions like Athena had proposed, so that people can come and ask questions.Find the time and we give equal weight to Buckminster, Athena, Tycho, and P2/PDE then we can go from there.As for documentation, for P2 that is a whole nother issue all together, and honestly, should be done anyways not just for a conference.Dave Ian Skerrett wrote:I know I am not on the PC but I am on the list, so I feel compelled to respond and support Chris on the importance of p2. Lots of people still have problems using p2 and nowadays is one of the biggest rants about Eclipse. I hope at EclipseCon was can provide some top-notch p2 education.Ian On 1/7/2010 12:54 PM, Chris Aniszczyk wrote:On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:49 AM, David Carver <d_a_carver@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:d_a_carver@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:------------------------------------------------------------------------Unfortunately, not a lot of slots for turorials this year, which is what each of these builds actually deserve.I think you will see some upset folks if there is no p2 tutorial at EclipseCon. It was one of the largest underlying changes to the Eclipse platform that we did since the move to OSGi back in 3.0... the technology is finally coming to a point where API is being declared in 3.6...I personally feel a normal talk isn't enough.--Cheers, Chris Aniszczyk http://aniszczyk.org _______________________________________________ eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee mailing list eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee@xxxxxxxxxxxhttps://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee_______________________________________________ eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee mailing list eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee@xxxxxxxxxxxhttps://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee_______________________________________________ eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee mailing list eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee@xxxxxxxxxxxhttps://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee