> Clearly, we
have a perception
problem.
Indeed
> I'm not
convinced that the
data supports your
position: there
was plenty
> of content at
EclipseCon focused
on the desktop IDE
and related
projects.
> Including two
of my talks and at
least one of the
keynotes.
It’s not my
position. I am
conveying what I
heard from the
marketing
department when I
asked why Oracle
wasn’t sponsoring
this year’s
EclipseCon. At dev
level, I can tell
you that many here
have given up on
submitting talk
proposals because
talks focused on
traditional
desktop IDE areas
have not been
getting accepted
in the last few
years.
> The "next
generation"
messaging is not
coming from the
Eclipse
Foundation,
> it's coming
from the Che
project. I
understand that
this distinction
may be lost
> on the
greater community.
Are you saying
that Eclipse
Foundation is not
able to exert
influence over a
member project to
stop this harmful
messaging?
Thanks,
- Konstantin
All of our efforts
around FEEP are
concerned with
putting energy
into the desktop
IDE. Moving Mikael
into the
development
position is also
concerned
exclusively with
the desktop IDE.
The Eclipse
Foundation has
never employed
developers before.
Our first
development effort
contracts and hire
are exclusively
concerned with
addressing long
standing issues
with the desktop
IDE. Clearly, we
have a perception
problem.
I'm not convinced
that the data
supports your
position: there
was plenty of
content at
EclipseCon focused
on the desktop IDE
and related
projects.
Including two of
my talks and at
least one of the
keynotes.
The "next
generation"
messaging is not
coming from the
Eclipse
Foundation, it's
coming from the
Che project. I
understand that
this distinction
may be lost on the
greater community.
Again, we have an
opportunity with
the press
attention on Che
to steal some of
that attention for
the desktop IDE.
What are we going
to do about it?
Wayne
On 15/03/16
12:24 PM,
Konstantin
Komissarchik
wrote:
I see Che’s
messaging as a
serious issue.
To a lay person,
the fact that
this message is
coming from an
Eclipse
Foundation
project lends it
authority. Many
wouldn’t
understand that
this is just
another project
trying something
new rather than
the official
path forward
endorsed by the
community
bringing them
the current
Eclipse IDE.
More broadly, it
seems to me that
Eclipse
Foundation is
focusing
primarily on new
initiatives
outside of
desktop IDE
space these
days. Oracle’s
marketing
department did
not sponsor this
past EclipseCon
because the
content has been
less and less
relevant to
desktop IDE
space, which is
our main reason
for involvement.
Thanks,
- Konstantin
Che is giving us
some visibility.
How do we
leverage this?
How do we
encourage people
who are looking
at Che to maybe
give the desktop
IDE a fresh
look?
Wayne
On 15/03/16
05:12 AM, Eike
Stepper wrote:
Am 14.03.2016
um 21:03
schrieb Doug
Schaefer:
Oh, and our
discussion on
Che and the
impact calling
it the "Next
Generation
Eclipse IDE"
has on the
existing IDE
and community
was really
good too :).
So can we do
something to
make the
situation
better for us?
I googled
https://www.google.de/search?q=%22Next+Generation+Eclipse+IDE%22&oq=%22Next+Generation+Eclipse+IDE%22&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8
and they seem
to like this
term a lot ;-(
Cheers
/Eike
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