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[dsdp-pmc] RE: eRCP setup (was: [eclipse.org-architecture-council] Minutes from Thursday's call)
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Hi Gorkem,
FYI I'm currently updating the tm build procedure on
dsdp.eclipse.org and the outcome of this work might
eventually be consumable by other projects as well.
With respect to a contributor reference, have you
looked at the Mylyn one yet? I like it a lot and
it might be a template for an eRCP one:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/Mylyn_Contributor_Reference
Cheers,
--
Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River
Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gorkem.ercan@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:gorkem.ercan@xxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Gorkem Ercan
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:53 PM
> To: Ed Merks
> Cc: Oberhuber, Martin; dsdp-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx; Mark Rogalski
> Subject: Re: eRCP setup (was:
> [eclipse.org-architecture-council] Minutes from Thursday's call)
>
> The problem is not so much about eRCP SDK not being usable. As Ed also
> found out, we have a problem with our SDK (eRCP for win32 build ) that
> it does not pack the source code files so that the IDE can use them to
> provide debug, code assist etc. Our second problem, again as Ed found
> out first hand, is our CVS structure is not that obvious (but then we
> are not the only one) and we do not have a good documentation about
> getting started to contributing for eRCP. I have a committer who had
> volunteered to provide that but he has not yet finished that. I will
> check back with him on the progress.
> ---
> Gorkem
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2008 3:36 PM, Ed Merks <merks@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Martin,
> >
> > I did exchange notes with Gorkem and he was helpful, so
> don't take my
> > comments as any deep kind of criticism of eRCP. It took me
> less time to
> > get up and running than it did for RAP. The problem was
> that I wanted to
> > extract it from CVS rather than just download the zip file,
> so I could hack
> > the code and provide patches more easily. I described my
> experience in by
> > blog about EMF and eRCP:
> >
> >
> http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2008/01/emf-and-ercp-two-great-th
> ings-that-go.html
> >
> > I just couldn't find an SDK either, so I'm not sure how one
> can debug and
> > see the source.
> >
> > So my comments are effectively just some suggestions on
> what you could do
> > to make a great thing even better.
> >
> >
> > Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
> > mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
> > 905-413-3265 (t/l 313)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Oberhuber,
> > Martin"
> > <Martin.Oberhuber
> To
> > @windriver.com> "Gorkem Ercan"
> <gercan@xxxxxxx>,
> > "Mark Rogalski"
> > 01/28/2008 08:15 <rogalski@xxxxxxxxxx>, Ed
> > AM Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
> >
> cc
> > <dsdp-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> Subject
> > eRCP setup (was:
> >
> [eclipse.org-architecture-council]
> > Minutes from Thursday's call)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Ed, Mark, Gorkem,
> >
> > thanks for the feedback about eRCP. I'm forwarding this
> > to the eRCP project leadds and the dsdp-pmc.
> >
> > Did you ever talk to the eRCP people directly?
> >
> > I think I was in the same boat as you not understanding
> > how to set up eRCP, until I met Mark Rogalski at EclipseCon
> > last year. In fact, it was only one tiny bit of information
> > that helped me get set up:
> >
> > 1.) Download the eRCP Windows packag. It's self-contained
> > and will run out of the box (e.g. to try examples)
> > 2.) For development, simply set your "Target Platform"
> > to your eRCP installation.
> >
> > That worked for me at that time, not sure whether it's still
> > true for recent eRCP releases. Mark and Gorkem, I wonder
> > whether you'd find a nice place for that sort of information
> > on your homepage or Wiki?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > --
> > Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River
> > Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
> > http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: eclipse.org-architecture-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> [mailto:eclipse.org-architecture-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf
> > Of Ed Merks
> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 3:30 PM
> > To: eclipse.org-architecture-council
> > Cc: eclipse.org-architecture-council;
> > eclipse.org-architecture-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [eclipse.org-architecture-council] Minutes
> from Thursday's
> > callare on the wiki
> >
> > Bjorn,
> >
> > Unfortunately the last meeting coincided with a meeting I
> had to discuss
> > dangerous misconception that parts are simply free:
> >
> >
> >
> http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2008/01/manufacturing-pofitable-c
> ars-with-f
> > ree.html
> >
> > Interestingly that turned out to be closely related to what
> I see in the
> > minutes "Architecture for More Patches and Committers". There are
> > certainly too many free riders in the community. And it's not
> > politically
> > correct to refer to them as leeches. Obviously that's a
> bit of a joke,
> > since the testing and feedback provided by users has
> significant value.
> > But there's an element of truth in there as well. Folks
> who need direct
> > help and who want more features for free, are a bit of drain (though
> > again,
> > a form of valuable feedback as well).
> >
> > With regard to more patches and more committers, I think
> both will only
> > come with encouragement, openness, and commitment from the
> development
> > groups to engage their users. It's a tireless and often
> thankless task
> > to
> > answer all your newsgroup questions, but it's one of the
> best ways to
> > demonstrate to the community that they have value:
> >
> >
> >
> http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2008/01/would-you-like-fries-with
> -that-sir.
> > html
> >
> > Keep in mind that most likely, folks will only get involved for self
> > serving reasons, so we need to try to think of ways to
> harness selfish
> > motivation. Everyone has an ego and status is most certainly a
> > motivation.
> > Being an expert at something can also be profitable...
> >
> > In my opinion, the best way to get started down this path is to
> > encourage
> > all projects to include information about how to set up a
> development
> > environment for their project:
> >
> > http://wiki.eclipse.org/EMF/Getting_Source
> >
> > I had no trouble getting RAP set up (because I know the
> steps and the
> > structure was obvious to me) but I have no idea how the
> eRCP stuff is
> > supposed to work in a development environment so I had to give up on
> > that.
> > So for RAP I can and did provide patches, but for eRCP, it won't be
> > easy.
> >
> > Unfortunately (well actually not), the next meeting will
> coincide with
> > my
> > vacation, so I'll miss that too.
> >
> >
> > Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
> > mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
> > 905-413-3265 (t/l 313)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bjorn
> >
> > Freeman-Benson
> >
> > <bjorn.freeman-be
> > To
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