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Hi Doug,
1. The project dashboard has been totally changed recently,
without any notice to committers. I liked the old dashboard, and I had put a
link to it on the dsdp/tm homepage. So my #1 feedback to Bjorn is: if you are
planning any changes to publicly visible URLs, let committer know what
you're up to. Don't we want to have open processes? I hate broken links
like http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dashboard/dashboard_detail.php?project=dsdp.tm that
used to work fine.
2. Projects should not define the metrics
themselves if they are publicly visible. The dashboard gets unusable if
it's not totally clear what's visible. Projects could be enabled to use the DASH
databases to make their own computations and publish them on their own
homepages. But the common dashboard should work the same for all projects, or it
gets totally confusing.
3. I agree that different metrics would be
useful in different phases of the project, but there should be ONE
common definition of what is visible.
4. Yes, being explicit about the formulas
used is important. I don't think that SQL statements are sufficient. There
should be some plaintext explanation of what's visible on a
report.
5. Regarding the new metrics:
5a) dsdp.tm project is missing
totally.
5b) I liked the metrics on mailinglist, newsgroup and
bugzilla activity, I'm missing those. I'm not sure that commits only is a good
indicator.
I've been using the dashboard before to look which projects
seem very active ("green light") - in order to get inspired by them and see why
they are so active, how they are promoting their stuff. For instance, I took the
GMF project as reference for most of the TM homepage.
So, for me it was useful to have projects compared against
each other by common metrics. Perhaps it would make sense to think about other
use cases of the dashboard (for whom do we make this?)
Cheers,
Martin
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Martin Oberhuber - WindRiver,
Austria
+43(662)457915-85
Hi
folks,
I want to draw your attention to
the Eclipse Project Dashboard (http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dashboard/).
This dashboard is under construction, as noted at the top of the page.
The intention is to provide an activity gauge for various Eclipse
projects.
I would like to provide some
feedback to Bjorn on the usefulness of the information and changes you would
like to see on this dashboard. My comments to Bjorn so far
are:
1. Don’t apply a “one size
fits all” metric for projects; instead allow projects some latitude in
defining their own metrics of activity.
2. Don’t treat projects in
incubation the same as mature projects containing multiple
releases.
3. Be explicit about the
formulas used for “liveliness” and green/yellow/red status so that project
leads understand the system.
For the next PMC meeting, please
take a look at this page and the bugzilla entry. I suspect this will
come up in the planning council meeting in Chicago, and I’d like to propose some
alternate ideas.
Thanks,
Doug
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