From:
dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Oberhuber,
Martin
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 4:50 AM
To: DSDP
PMC list
Subject: RE: [dsdp-pmc] The
Eclipse Project Dashboard
Hi Doug,
1. The project dashboard has been totally
changed recently, without any notice to committers. I liked the old dashboard,
and I had put a link to it on the dsdp/tm homepage. So my #1 feedback to Bjorn
is: if you are planning any changes to publicly visible URLs, let committer know what you're up to.
Don't we want to have open processes? I hate broken links like http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dashboard/dashboard_detail.php?project=dsdp.tm that
used to work fine.
2. Projects should not define the metrics themselves
if they are publicly visible. The dashboard gets unusable if it's not totally
clear what's visible. Projects could be enabled to use the DASH databases to
make their own computations and publish them on their own homepages. But the
common dashboard should work the same for all projects, or it gets totally
confusing.
3. I agree that different metrics would be useful in
different phases of the project, but there should be
ONE common definition of what is visible.
4. Yes, being explicit about the formulas
used is important. I don't think that SQL statements are sufficient. There
should be some plaintext explanation of what's visible on a report.
5. Regarding the new metrics:
5a) dsdp.tm project is missing totally.
5b) I liked the metrics on mailinglist,
newsgroup and bugzilla activity, I'm missing those. I'm not sure that commits
only is a good indicator.
I've been using the dashboard before to
look which projects seem very active ("green light") - in order to
get inspired by them and see why they are so active, how they are promoting
their stuff. For instance, I took the GMF project as reference for most of the
TM homepage.
So, for me it was useful to have projects
compared against each other by common metrics. Perhaps it would make sense to
think about other use cases of the dashboard (for whom do we make this?)
Cheers,
Martin
--
Martin Oberhuber - WindRiver,
Austria
+43(662)457915-85
From:
dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gaff,
Doug
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:42 PM
To: DSDP
PMC list
Subject: [dsdp-pmc] The Eclipse
Project Dashboard
Hi folks,
I want to draw your attention to the Eclipse Project
Dashboard (http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dashboard/).
This dashboard is under construction, as noted at the top of the page.
The intention is to provide an activity gauge for various Eclipse projects.
I would like to provide some feedback to Bjorn on the
usefulness of the information and changes you would like to see on this
dashboard. My comments to Bjorn so far are:
1. Don’t apply a “one size fits all”
metric for projects; instead allow projects some latitude in defining their own
metrics of activity.
2. Don’t treat projects in incubation the same
as mature projects containing multiple releases.
3. Be explicit about the formulas used for
“liveliness” and green/yellow/red status so that project leads
understand the system.
For the next PMC meeting, please take a look at this page
and the bugzilla entry. I suspect this will come up in the planning
council meeting in Chicago,
and I’d like to propose some alternate ideas.
Thanks,
Doug
