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RE: [dsdp-pmc] The Eclipse Project Dashboard

Thanks for the comments Martin.  I’m copying Bjorn directly for the feedback.

 

Doug

 

 


From: dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Oberhuber, Martin
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 4:50 AM
To: DSDP PMC list
Subject: RE: [dsdp-pmc] The Eclipse Project Dashboard

 

Hi Doug,

 

1. The project dashboard has been totally changed recently, without any notice to committers. I liked the old dashboard, and I had put a link to it on the dsdp/tm homepage. So my #1 feedback to Bjorn is: if you are planning any changes to publicly visible URLs, let committer know what you're up to. Don't we want to have open processes? I hate broken links like http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dashboard/dashboard_detail.php?project=dsdp.tm that used to work fine.

 

2. Projects should not define the metrics themselves if they are publicly visible. The dashboard gets unusable if it's not totally clear what's visible. Projects could be enabled to use the DASH databases to make their own computations and publish them on their own homepages. But the common dashboard should work the same for all projects, or it gets totally confusing.

 

3. I agree that different metrics would be useful in different phases of the project, but there should be ONE common definition of what is visible.

 

4. Yes, being explicit about the formulas used is important. I don't think that SQL statements are sufficient. There should be some plaintext explanation of what's visible on a report.

 

5. Regarding the new metrics:

5a) dsdp.tm project is missing totally.

5b) I liked the metrics on mailinglist, newsgroup and bugzilla activity, I'm missing those. I'm not sure that commits only is a good indicator.

 

I've been using the dashboard before to look which projects seem very active ("green light") - in order to get inspired by them and see why they are so active, how they are promoting their stuff. For instance, I took the GMF project as reference for most of the TM homepage.

 

So, for me it was useful to have projects compared against each other by common metrics. Perhaps it would make sense to think about other use cases of the dashboard (for whom do we make this?)

Cheers,
Martin
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Martin Oberhuber - WindRiver, Austria
+43(662)457915-85

 

 


From: dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dsdp-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gaff, Doug
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 9:42 PM
To: DSDP PMC list
Subject: [dsdp-pmc] The Eclipse Project Dashboard

Hi folks,

 

I want to draw your attention to the Eclipse Project Dashboard (http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dashboard/).  This dashboard is under construction, as noted at the top of the page.  The intention is to provide an activity gauge for various Eclipse projects.

 

I would like to provide some feedback to Bjorn on the usefulness of the information and changes you would like to see on this dashboard.  My comments to Bjorn so far are:

 

1.  Don’t apply a “one size fits all” metric for projects; instead allow projects some latitude in defining their own metrics of activity.

 

2.  Don’t treat projects in incubation the same as mature projects containing multiple releases.

 

3.  Be explicit about the formulas used for “liveliness” and green/yellow/red status so that project leads understand the system.

 

For the next PMC meeting, please take a look at this page and the bugzilla entry.  I suspect this will come up in the planning council meeting in Chicago, and I’d like to propose some alternate ideas.

 

Thanks,

Doug

 


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