So we
all agree that we need two things:
1-
some type of planning meeting in September
2- a
face-to-face meeting at some point
Up to
now, no one has stepped-up to organize a face-to-face in September (or another
time).
(Doing
it at Ericsson was a lot of work for me last year so I like the EclipseCon idea
better).
Unless
Chris thinks it can be done at IBM...
So I
suggest we try to plan the face-to-face for EclipseCon or else we might not have
a face-to-face
at
all. Note that the OSGi DevCon has been doing the same for
some time.
Last
year, the multi-core debug meeting was a big success. However, having only
one timeslot
left
me with the feeling of unfinished business. I think we
should plan for two days and have a
detailed agenda, people can then decide if they want
stay for the full two days or not.
Sunday-Monday is the option that allows us to be in the
best shape.
Thursday-Friday avoids having to work on the
weekend.
Sunday-Friday does not overlap with EclipseCon, but
will be exhausting
We can
try to figure out what the community likes best on the wiki.
The
nice thing about all this is that it is very low risk/effort. It is almost
a freebie with EclipseCon.
What is somewhat urgent is knowing which
days we could get a big enough room at EclipseCon.
It
does not matter which days we prefer if we can't get a room (and a projector)
for those days.
Doug,
as the puppet master this year :-) can you tell us which days would be best for
a room (or two)?
I can
then update the wiki to see what the community response will
be.
Thanks
Marc
Sure, we can offer up the
options.
I plan on being very busy at
EclipseCon, though, and will not attend full day sessions for CDT. But you
don’t need me there for the whole thing. Everything I need to participate in
will happen in September.
Doug.
From:
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Of Dominique Toupin Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 4:32
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Summit 2011
I
agree that we might be tired on Friday, however people might prefer to do
that instead of having a second trip.
We can
also investigate other options like Sun-Mon (like the IBM Rational conf
:-).
Maybe
we can put the different options (Thu-Fri, Sun-Mon, Sun and Thu) on the
wiki and see what the developers prefer.
The
last summit was 3 days and we had to close the registration because too
many people wanted to come, we will have plenty of things to discuss
for at least 2 days.
Having
just a few hours doesn't seem to be enough.
From:
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Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug Sent: 18-Jul-11 15:56 To:
CDT General developers list. Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit
2011
I dunno, I still have the
mental scars from our last attempt at a EcilpseCon Friday meeting (way
burned out by then).
But I will have a pretty big
room if tradition holds and will throw a CDT party some time during the week
J.
Doug.
From:
cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Marc Khouzam Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 3:30
PM To: 'CDT General developers list.' Subject: Re:
[cdt-dev] Summit 2011
The
idea of an eSummit in September is probably the easiest way to get the plan
done for Juno and get things started.
I
like that. But I also agree that the face-to-face part is very
valuable. So, the idea of having the same type of
meeting
as last year, but co-located with EclipseCon, sounds great to
me.
From
what we saw in previous years, we need enough time to discuss the many
different topics, and to allow
people
to find their common interests and see how they can collaborate
together. And we also need
time for
deep dives such as multi-core, build, codan, etc.
Co-locating
a full CDT Summit with EclipseCon (Thursday/Friday) only extends the
trip by one day, and we get the full
benefit
of a face-face event. And organization will be much easier :-)
It may also help some people justify going to
EclipseCon
as a two-in-one trip.
So,
couldn't we plan a two-day face-to-face CDT Summit on the Thursday and
Friday of EclipseCon?
Thanks
Marc
From:
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Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 2:58
PM To: CDT General developers list. Subject: Re:
[cdt-dev] Summit 2011
Yes, I wasn’t talking
about replacing the face to face, just having that component at
EclipseCon. I tend to meet more new community members at EclipseCon than
the CDT Summit anyway.
We do need to have a plan
in place by the end of September (and the Eclipse board would actually
prefer we have it earlier, but we get some leeway there), and should have
interactive meetings on the issues we need to address and new features
that feed into that plan. And it’s pretty much a given now that not every
committer is able to make a summit anyway, I think an eSummit would fill
our needs. And next year, if someone wants to hold it and organize early,
we can try again at a full summit.
:D
From:
cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Marc-Andre Laperle Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011
2:45 PM To: CDT General developers list. Subject: Re:
[cdt-dev] Summit 2011
March 26-29 is really late in the development cycle. To me, the summit should be about planning Juno, discussing architecture, potential solutions to hard problems we want fixed in Juno.
On 11-07-18 2:22 PM, Dominique Toupin wrote:
Replacing a
3 days face to face summit by an online meeting will not benefit the
community, I think its very good if we can keep the face to face
event.
Many
people dial-in but they typically work on something else, we do not
have the evening/lunch event when people can discuss further,
etc.
Looking
at other open source projects/foundations they do a lot of co-located
events (e.g LinuxCon and Tracing Summit), I had a quick chat with Ian
from the Eclipse Foundation, he thinks it's a good idea to co-locate
the summit with EclipseCon, possibly Thursday/Friday as long as we plan
ahead to ensure we have a conf room available at http://reston.hyatt.com (as program
chair, I am sure you can make it happen).
Co-locating
with EclipseCon has a few benefits:
-
Less travel (EclipseCon + Summit same place/date)
-
No sponsors/funding to find
-
No local logistics (room, special events, lunch, dinner, etc.)
-
more developers are likely to come
-
Reston is 8.5 hours drive from Toronto
-
etc.
The
only down side I see is it's not a good timing to plan for the next
release so we could do as you suggested i.e. an online meeting in
September but hopefully a short one maybe half a day to start
and then we can see if we need extra ones for specific topics e.g.
multi-core debug.
Co-locating
with EclipseCon seems quite future proof to me, what do you
think?
From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
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On Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug Sent: 18-Jul-11
11:24 To: CDT General developers list. Subject: Re:
[cdt-dev] Summit 2011
I agree. The time is
pretty short to organize a full blown summit in September. But, we still
need to have planning meetings to set the agenda for CDT in
Juno.
What I’d like to propose
is an eSummit instead using a conference bridge and Webex. I was
thinking of a block of four hours running noon-3 Ottawa time (give or
take), which allows for evening in Europe and morning in California. We
could start with two days like that and expand if
needed.
I would then propose
that we have a CDT get-together at EclipseCon next March. We had a
really nice multi-core meeting last year and could do that for CDT in
general. We could do it for a couple of hours and be separate from the
BOF which is a more open meeting.
What do you
think?
Doug.
Hi
Doug,
It's
not easy to plan/organize the CDT summit in the middle of
summer for a date in Sept/Oct:
-
many people are on vacation, it's hard to get developers to
register;
-
organizing the logistic in the middle of summer was not easy for us
last year again because of many people on vacations and it was hard to
get big conf room for Sept;
- in
July many people are already booked for business trips in the
fall e.g. myself, Elena, Marc, etc. if know more in advanced
it will be easier to plan around the summit
date;
-
fall is a busy time of the year for many people, May/June is the Eclipse
release crunch and March is EclipseCon...;
To
get more developers to join the summit we
could either:
-
do the plan/organization after the Eclipse release and held the summit
in Dec/Jan
-
do the plan/org in May and held the summit in
Sept/Oct
-
looking back at last March EclipseCon we could investigate if
we can do it Thursday and Friday (http://www.eclipsecon.org/2011/program/?programdate=2011-03-24)
-
we could even investigate if we can do it together with the GCC summit
(http://www.gccsummit.org)
Best
Regards,
Dominique
From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
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On Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug Sent: 8-Jul-11
14:20 To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject:
[cdt-dev] Summit 2011
Hey gang,
Just a reminder to sign up for CDT Summit 2011 at
http://wiki.eclipse.org/CDT/summitfall2011.
Notice a few signed up already. The more that show interest, the more
we’ll realize we really need to have one again J.
Cheers,
Doug.
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