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Something to consider when you are designing the package is if you
want it to show-up on the eclipse.org/download page. We would
typically show just one package from an IWG, so if you end up with
two then I would suggest the users package would be the one
displayed on the download page. I would also encourage you to keep
this package as small as possible to limit our bandwidth
requirements. Thanks Ian On 4/16/2012 6:59 AM, martin.bickel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Hello all, we would also like to avoid shipping all the SDKs to our users. So we share the opinon of Bosch that two packages would most useful, one for automotive users, and one for automotive tool developers. If there was just one package, it should in our opinion be the package for users, because that's where the compatibility must be ensured. And while it would be possible to create the other package on our own, it would be wasted effort if everybody did the same thing. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen/ with kind regards, Martin Bickel IT EA Solutions Software Engineering Continental Automotive Systems Division Guerickestraße 7 60488 Frankfurt/ Main, Germany phone: +49 69 7603 6538 fax: +49 69 7603 88 6538 E-Mail: martin.bickel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.continental-corporation.com _____________________________________________ Continental Teves AG & Co. oHG, Guerickestr. 7, D-60488 Frankfurt am Main Sitz der Gesellschaft/Registered Office: Frankfurt am Main, Registergericht/Registered Court: Amtsgericht Frankfurt am Main HRA 27047, USt.-ID-Nr./VAT-ID-No. DE 112160365 Gesellschafter/Shareholders: Continental Aktiengesellschaft (geschaeftsfuehrend/managing) Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats/Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Prof. Dr. Ing. 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From: "Burkhardt Martin (CDG-SMT/EMT6)" <Martin.Burkhardt@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Automotive Industry Working Group <auto-iwg@xxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 26.03.2012 14:55 Subject: Re: [auto-iwg] Eclipse IDE for Automotive Software Developers Sent by: auto-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx Hallo Stephan, Hello All, regarding 3/ in the past we practiced to maintain two variants of our local Eclipse platform: SDK) With SDK and help for all packages for use by Eclipse component developers. RT) (runtime) Without SDK and without help for usage in build and deployment. It would be most useful for Bosch to have both variants available. Otherwise we might opt for creating the other variant by ourselves with the risk of inconsistencies (and always requiring additional efforts). >From our point of view a compromise, where the sdk is only added to a few packages won't really help us. We need all or nothing depending on the purpose, for what we use the distribution. Any comments welcome. Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards Martin Burkhardt Robert Bosch GmbH Cross Divisional Group - Software, Methods and Tools, Engineering Methods and Tools IDE (CDG-SMT/EMT6) Postfach 30 02 40 70442 Stuttgart GERMANY www.bosch.com Tel. ++49 (711) 811 - 461 36 Sitz: Stuttgart, Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 14000; Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Hermann Scholl; Geschäftsführung: Franz Fehrenbach, Siegfried Dais; Stefan Asenkerschbaumer, Bernd Bohr, Rudolf Colm, Volkmar Denner, Christoph Kübel, Uwe Raschke, Wolf-Henning Scheider, Werner Struth, Peter Tyroller3/ Reduce the package size Currently, we are at 329MB which makes the automotive package the biggest among all others. The reason is that we have chosen to include the SDKs of nearly all components (which include their sources and developer documentation) instead of taking only the runtimes. While this makes sense in target platforms used by automotive tool developers it makes less sense in Eclipse installations used by automotive software developers. The former need the sources and documentation so that they can better develop their own tool plug-ins but the latter don't because they usually do not aim at extending Eclipse but just use it to work on other things (embedded ECU oftware). For this reason Eclipse packages do normally not include any SDKs (but just runtimes) or the SDKs of some selected components only (e.g., Eclipse Modeling Tools). To fix this issue, I'd like to ask you to share your opinion regarding this aspect. The question is, do we need any SDKs in the Eclipse IDE for Automotive Software Developers or no such at all? If so, for which components of the current package definition [2] would you like to have sources and developer documentation at hand? My idea is to collect you opinions, document them on the wiki page, and submit our changes to the EPP project for the Juno M7 milestone. According to the Juno simultaneous release plan [3] we have until May 11 to come to a reasonable conclusion._______________________________________________ auto-iwg mailing list auto-iwg@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/auto-iwg _______________________________________________ auto-iwg mailing list auto-iwg@xxxxxxxxxxx https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/auto-iwg --
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