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Re: General Help [message #469060] Fri, 16 January 2009 06:52 Go to next message
Nick Boldt is currently offline Nick BoldtFriend
Messages: 481
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Copying to eclipse.papyrus, eclipse.technology.epf, and
eclipse.technology.osee.

Re: Papyrus

Not sure where you found downloads for Papyrus -- I don't see any listed
on either of these pages:

http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/?project=papyrus
http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/downloads/?project=papyr us

Re: OSEE, they provide detailed install instructions on their website.

http://www.eclipse.org/osee/documentation/installation/eclip se_install.php

Re: EPF, did you read this?

http://www.eclipse.org/epf/general/getting_started.php


Ray Joseph wrote:
> Please help me figure out how to use help in the Eclipse areas. I have
> greatest interests in EPF, OSEE and Papyrus. The information here is
> vast, I have had a difficult time trying to find simple details.
> 1) For example, on the Eclipse download page there are many choices.
> After reading the desciptions of each, I can't tell what I should
> download. My intent is not to develop but to use.
>
> 2) For the Papyrus project, there is a RCP and a plug in. I have no
> idea how to choose. What are the tradeoffs between the two
> installations or is there a reason to use both?
>
> 3) For OSEE, it looks like there are packages that can be downloaded
> but I can't tell which I should pick if I have downloaded some (?) from
> above.
>
> I would appreciate any and all help.
> Thanks
> Ray
>

--
Nick Boldt :: http://wiki.eclipse.org/User:Nickb
Re: General Help [message #469063 is a reply to message #469060] Fri, 16 January 2009 21:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ray Joseph is currently offline Ray JosephFriend
Messages: 87
Registered: July 2009
Member
Nick Boldt wrote:Nick,

Thank your for the response. I am sorry I didn't include the Papyrus link:
http://www.papyrusuml.org/scripts/home/publigen/content/temp lates/show.asp?P=114&L=EN&SYNC=Y#1
Has the download links and addresses the RCP or update over an exixting
Eclipse but I don't know the architecture of Eclipse to know if I install
any of the below whether I can use the update or an additional Eclipse
module or what.

Yes, you showed the links to complete package downloads for OSEE and EPF
but I can't tell if these overlap (use something in common) or are they
totally separate installations. If I install them as separate
applications, am I duplicating things or does each installation look for
what is already installed and just add what is needed?

In all three cases, the installations address as if there are no other
Eclipse apps. Again, I can't tell if there will be any interferences.

How do I find out how to efficiently coordinate these installations?

Thanks,
Ray
_________________
> Copying to eclipse.papyrus, eclipse.technology.epf, and
> eclipse.technology.osee.

> Re: Papyrus

> Not sure where you found downloads for Papyrus -- I don't see any listed
> on either of these pages:

> http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/?project=papyrus
> http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/downloads/?project=papyr us

> Re: OSEE, they provide detailed install instructions on their website.

> http://www.eclipse.org/osee/documentation/installation/eclip se_install.php

> Re: EPF, did you read this?

> http://www.eclipse.org/epf/general/getting_started.php


> Ray Joseph wrote:
>> Please help me figure out how to use help in the Eclipse areas. I have
>> greatest interests in EPF, OSEE and Papyrus. The information here is
>> vast, I have had a difficult time trying to find simple details.
>> 1) For example, on the Eclipse download page there are many choices.
>> After reading the desciptions of each, I can't tell what I should
>> download. My intent is not to develop but to use.
>>
>> 2) For the Papyrus project, there is a RCP and a plug in. I have no
>> idea how to choose. What are the tradeoffs between the two
>> installations or is there a reason to use both?
>>
>> 3) For OSEE, it looks like there are packages that can be downloaded
>> but I can't tell which I should pick if I have downloaded some (?) from
>> above.
>>
>> I would appreciate any and all help.
>> Thanks
>> Ray
>>
Need help installing Papyrus, EPF, OSEE (was Re: General Help) [message #469067 is a reply to message #469063] Fri, 16 January 2009 21:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nick Boldt is currently offline Nick BoldtFriend
Messages: 481
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
I suspect someone on the eclipse.papyrus, eclipse.technology.epf, and/or
eclipse.technology.osee newsgroups can be of assistance.

N

Ray Joseph wrote:
>
> Nick Boldt wrote:Nick,
>
> Thank your for the response. I am sorry I didn't include the Papyrus link:
> http://www.papyrusuml.org/scripts/home/publigen/content/temp lates/show.asp?P=114&L=EN&SYNC=Y#1
>
> Has the download links and addresses the RCP or update over an exixting
> Eclipse but I don't know the architecture of Eclipse to know if I
> install any of the below whether I can use the update or an additional
> Eclipse module or what.
>
> Yes, you showed the links to complete package downloads for OSEE and EPF
> but I can't tell if these overlap (use something in common) or are they
> totally separate installations. If I install them as separate
> applications, am I duplicating things or does each installation look for
> what is already installed and just add what is needed?
> In all three cases, the installations address as if there are no other
> Eclipse apps. Again, I can't tell if there will be any interferences.
> How do I find out how to efficiently coordinate these installations?
>
> Thanks,
> Ray
> _________________
>> Copying to eclipse.papyrus, eclipse.technology.epf, and
>> eclipse.technology.osee.
>
>> Re: Papyrus
>
>> Not sure where you found downloads for Papyrus -- I don't see any
>> listed on either of these pages:
>
>> http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/?project=papyrus
>> http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/downloads/?project=papyr us
>
>> Re: OSEE, they provide detailed install instructions on their website.
>
>> http://www.eclipse.org/osee/documentation/installation/eclip se_install.php
>>
>
>> Re: EPF, did you read this?
>
>> http://www.eclipse.org/epf/general/getting_started.php
>
>
>> Ray Joseph wrote:
>>> Please help me figure out how to use help in the Eclipse areas. I
>>> have greatest interests in EPF, OSEE and Papyrus. The information
>>> here is vast, I have had a difficult time trying to find simple
>>> details. 1) For example, on the Eclipse download page there are many
>>> choices. After reading the desciptions of each, I can't tell what I
>>> should download. My intent is not to develop but to use.
>>>
>>> 2) For the Papyrus project, there is a RCP and a plug in. I have no
>>> idea how to choose. What are the tradeoffs between the two
>>> installations or is there a reason to use both?
>>>
>>> 3) For OSEE, it looks like there are packages that can be downloaded
>>> but I can't tell which I should pick if I have downloaded some (?)
>>> from above.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate any and all help. Thanks
>>> Ray
>>>
>
>
>

--
Nick Boldt :: http://wiki.eclipse.org/User:Nickb
Re: Need help installing Papyrus, EPF, OSEE (was Re: General Help) [message #469215 is a reply to message #469067] Thu, 22 January 2009 10:21 Go to previous message
Remi Schnekenburger is currently offline Remi SchnekenburgerFriend
Messages: 168
Registered: July 2009
Location: Palaiseau, France
Senior Member
Hi,

I Post here the response I sent you by mail. Hope this help some other
people understanding Eclipse and Papyrus installation. I just made a small
mistake in the mail, for the name of the next major release (Galileo)

Regards,
Remi

-------------------------

Remi Wrote:
Hi,

Thanks for your interest in Papyrus!


You are correct when you say that 2 ways exist to install Papyrus on its
computer.


The first one, the RCP product, is an easy way to install Papyrus, without
knowing anything to the Eclipse world. This has the advantage to have
everything install in a few mouse clicks. It should be possible to install
more plugins on top of it, like the two packages you want. You just have to
download either the installation wizard for windows or a zip archive if you
use another OS.

To install packages in Papyrus like EPF, you can follow instruction given on
the following page:
http://www.papyrusuml.org/scripts/home/publigen/content/temp lates/show.asp?P=135&L=EN&SYNC=Y.
You will find here a video that shows how to use the Update menu in Papyrus.

Nota: The RCP product is a great feature provided by the eclipse framework.
Developers like us can use the eclipse platform as the core of their tool.
Then we can customize this platform to have a product which has the
look'n'feel we want (special splash screen, custom icons and menus,
remove/add menus, etc.)


The second way to have Papyrus on its computer is to use a standard Eclipse
installation. On the Eclipse download web site
(http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/), you will find some distribution of the
Eclipse tool: Eclipse for C++, Eclipse for Java, Eclipse for Modelling, etc.

To install this tool, you have to download it, and then simply dezip' it on
your computer. You will have an eclipse directory where you have dezip' it.
In this directory, you just have to launch the eclipse executable.

You can then install the papyrus tool, using the papyrusuml update site and
instruction. You do not require having Papyrus already installed on your
computer. You can install new plugins on your eclipse installation, like
EPF, Papyrus, etc.


So you can do as you want:

- Either downloading Papyrus RCP, then using the update menu to
install the other packages you need.

- Or you can also download Eclipse, install Papyrus and the other
packages you need.

The first solution should be easier, as Papyrus relies on other components
of the Eclipse platform, like EMF and UML2 packages. You already have them
in Papyrus RCP; you must install them if you install Papyrus on an existing
Eclipse installation.


To explain the Europa distribution:

Eclipse has a huge developer community, with some "official" plugins, like
UML2, EMF, Java Development Tool (JDT), etc. Each of these components relies
on the platform itself. Eclipse foundation has decided to propose major
releases, to simplify user life. In fact, some tools like EMF require a
particular version of the platform to work. The "Europa" distribution
corresponds to a particular version of the Eclipse platform.
(http://www.eclipse.org/europa/). The API of this version is locked for one
year. This means that all tools like EMF relying on this Europa distribution
will use the same API for this given period. This ensures stability for tool
development. Each year, a major release is produced like that, generally in
June. The next distribution has the name "Galileo"
(http://wiki.eclipse.org/Galileo).


Hope this mail will be helpful for you. Don't hesitate to ask new question
if you need.
Cheers,
R


Remi Schnekenburger

Get professional Eclipse developer support:
http://eclipsesource.com/en/services/developer-support/
Re: General Help [message #575661 is a reply to message #469060] Fri, 16 January 2009 21:37 Go to previous message
Ray Joseph is currently offline Ray JosephFriend
Messages: 87
Registered: July 2009
Member
Nick Boldt wrote:Nick,

Thank your for the response. I am sorry I didn't include the Papyrus link:
http://www.papyrusuml.org/scripts/home/publigen/content/temp lates/show.asp?P=114&L=EN&SYNC=Y#1
Has the download links and addresses the RCP or update over an exixting
Eclipse but I don't know the architecture of Eclipse to know if I install
any of the below whether I can use the update or an additional Eclipse
module or what.

Yes, you showed the links to complete package downloads for OSEE and EPF
but I can't tell if these overlap (use something in common) or are they
totally separate installations. If I install them as separate
applications, am I duplicating things or does each installation look for
what is already installed and just add what is needed?

In all three cases, the installations address as if there are no other
Eclipse apps. Again, I can't tell if there will be any interferences.

How do I find out how to efficiently coordinate these installations?

Thanks,
Ray
_________________
> Copying to eclipse.papyrus, eclipse.technology.epf, and
> eclipse.technology.osee.

> Re: Papyrus

> Not sure where you found downloads for Papyrus -- I don't see any listed
> on either of these pages:

> http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/?project=papyrus
> http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/downloads/?project=papyr us

> Re: OSEE, they provide detailed install instructions on their website.

> http://www.eclipse.org/osee/documentation/installation/eclip se_install.php

> Re: EPF, did you read this?

> http://www.eclipse.org/epf/general/getting_started.php


> Ray Joseph wrote:
>> Please help me figure out how to use help in the Eclipse areas. I have
>> greatest interests in EPF, OSEE and Papyrus. The information here is
>> vast, I have had a difficult time trying to find simple details.
>> 1) For example, on the Eclipse download page there are many choices.
>> After reading the desciptions of each, I can't tell what I should
>> download. My intent is not to develop but to use.
>>
>> 2) For the Papyrus project, there is a RCP and a plug in. I have no
>> idea how to choose. What are the tradeoffs between the two
>> installations or is there a reason to use both?
>>
>> 3) For OSEE, it looks like there are packages that can be downloaded
>> but I can't tell which I should pick if I have downloaded some (?) from
>> above.
>>
>> I would appreciate any and all help.
>> Thanks
>> Ray
>>
Need help installing Papyrus, EPF, OSEE (was Re: General Help) [message #575722 is a reply to message #469063] Fri, 16 January 2009 21:58 Go to previous message
Nick Boldt is currently offline Nick BoldtFriend
Messages: 481
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
I suspect someone on the eclipse.papyrus, eclipse.technology.epf, and/or
eclipse.technology.osee newsgroups can be of assistance.

N

Ray Joseph wrote:
>
> Nick Boldt wrote:Nick,
>
> Thank your for the response. I am sorry I didn't include the Papyrus link:
> http://www.papyrusuml.org/scripts/home/publigen/content/temp lates/show.asp?P=114&L=EN&SYNC=Y#1
>
> Has the download links and addresses the RCP or update over an exixting
> Eclipse but I don't know the architecture of Eclipse to know if I
> install any of the below whether I can use the update or an additional
> Eclipse module or what.
>
> Yes, you showed the links to complete package downloads for OSEE and EPF
> but I can't tell if these overlap (use something in common) or are they
> totally separate installations. If I install them as separate
> applications, am I duplicating things or does each installation look for
> what is already installed and just add what is needed?
> In all three cases, the installations address as if there are no other
> Eclipse apps. Again, I can't tell if there will be any interferences.
> How do I find out how to efficiently coordinate these installations?
>
> Thanks,
> Ray
> _________________
>> Copying to eclipse.papyrus, eclipse.technology.epf, and
>> eclipse.technology.osee.
>
>> Re: Papyrus
>
>> Not sure where you found downloads for Papyrus -- I don't see any
>> listed on either of these pages:
>
>> http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/?project=papyrus
>> http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/mdt/downloads/?project=papyr us
>
>> Re: OSEE, they provide detailed install instructions on their website.
>
>> http://www.eclipse.org/osee/documentation/installation/eclip se_install.php
>>
>
>> Re: EPF, did you read this?
>
>> http://www.eclipse.org/epf/general/getting_started.php
>
>
>> Ray Joseph wrote:
>>> Please help me figure out how to use help in the Eclipse areas. I
>>> have greatest interests in EPF, OSEE and Papyrus. The information
>>> here is vast, I have had a difficult time trying to find simple
>>> details. 1) For example, on the Eclipse download page there are many
>>> choices. After reading the desciptions of each, I can't tell what I
>>> should download. My intent is not to develop but to use.
>>>
>>> 2) For the Papyrus project, there is a RCP and a plug in. I have no
>>> idea how to choose. What are the tradeoffs between the two
>>> installations or is there a reason to use both?
>>>
>>> 3) For OSEE, it looks like there are packages that can be downloaded
>>> but I can't tell which I should pick if I have downloaded some (?)
>>> from above.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate any and all help. Thanks
>>> Ray
>>>
>
>
>

--
Nick Boldt :: http://wiki.eclipse.org/User:Nickb
Re: Need help installing Papyrus, EPF, OSEE (was Re: General Help) [message #581400 is a reply to message #469067] Thu, 22 January 2009 10:21 Go to previous message
Remi Schnekenburger is currently offline Remi SchnekenburgerFriend
Messages: 168
Registered: July 2009
Location: Palaiseau, France
Senior Member
Hi,

I Post here the response I sent you by mail. Hope this help some other
people understanding Eclipse and Papyrus installation. I just made a small
mistake in the mail, for the name of the next major release (Galileo)

Regards,
Remi

-------------------------

Remi Wrote:
Hi,

Thanks for your interest in Papyrus!


You are correct when you say that 2 ways exist to install Papyrus on its
computer.


The first one, the RCP product, is an easy way to install Papyrus, without
knowing anything to the Eclipse world. This has the advantage to have
everything install in a few mouse clicks. It should be possible to install
more plugins on top of it, like the two packages you want. You just have to
download either the installation wizard for windows or a zip archive if you
use another OS.

To install packages in Papyrus like EPF, you can follow instruction given on
the following page:
http://www.papyrusuml.org/scripts/home/publigen/content/temp lates/show.asp?P=135&L=EN&SYNC=Y.
You will find here a video that shows how to use the Update menu in Papyrus.

Nota: The RCP product is a great feature provided by the eclipse framework.
Developers like us can use the eclipse platform as the core of their tool.
Then we can customize this platform to have a product which has the
look'n'feel we want (special splash screen, custom icons and menus,
remove/add menus, etc.)


The second way to have Papyrus on its computer is to use a standard Eclipse
installation. On the Eclipse download web site
(http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/), you will find some distribution of the
Eclipse tool: Eclipse for C++, Eclipse for Java, Eclipse for Modelling, etc.

To install this tool, you have to download it, and then simply dezip' it on
your computer. You will have an eclipse directory where you have dezip' it.
In this directory, you just have to launch the eclipse executable.

You can then install the papyrus tool, using the papyrusuml update site and
instruction. You do not require having Papyrus already installed on your
computer. You can install new plugins on your eclipse installation, like
EPF, Papyrus, etc.


So you can do as you want:

- Either downloading Papyrus RCP, then using the update menu to
install the other packages you need.

- Or you can also download Eclipse, install Papyrus and the other
packages you need.

The first solution should be easier, as Papyrus relies on other components
of the Eclipse platform, like EMF and UML2 packages. You already have them
in Papyrus RCP; you must install them if you install Papyrus on an existing
Eclipse installation.


To explain the Europa distribution:

Eclipse has a huge developer community, with some "official" plugins, like
UML2, EMF, Java Development Tool (JDT), etc. Each of these components relies
on the platform itself. Eclipse foundation has decided to propose major
releases, to simplify user life. In fact, some tools like EMF require a
particular version of the platform to work. The "Europa" distribution
corresponds to a particular version of the Eclipse platform.
(http://www.eclipse.org/europa/). The API of this version is locked for one
year. This means that all tools like EMF relying on this Europa distribution
will use the same API for this given period. This ensures stability for tool
development. Each year, a major release is produced like that, generally in
June. The next distribution has the name "Galileo"
(http://wiki.eclipse.org/Galileo).


Hope this mail will be helpful for you. Don't hesitate to ask new question
if you need.
Cheers,
R


Remi Schnekenburger

Get professional Eclipse developer support:
http://eclipsesource.com/en/services/developer-support/
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