Thanks for the meeting today. Sorry about the technical
difficulties. Skype clearly doesn’t work well from my office. Martin said
he was happy with the sound quality of this bridge, though, so I’m
willing to try it again. This time, I’ll dial into the regular phone
number.
I’ve inserted meeting notes below with action items in
red. We got through about half of the agenda. Can we meet again next Thursday
(Aug 10) at the same time? I’ll send a separate invitation.
Attendance
Mika, Martin, Shigeki, Christian, Mark, Doug
Time
7:00 AM PDT
9:00 AM CDT
10:00 AM EDT
4:00 PM CEST
5:00 PM EEST
11:00 PM Japan
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2006&month=8&day=3&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=24&p3=43&p4=223&p5=101&p6=248
Number
I have created a conference room that will allow more than 5
of us to attend but still allow us to use skype. From skype, call
+99008275948062. It’s free, so you won’t need skype
credit. If you can’t use skype, here are some other numbers:
Skype: +99008275948062
US: 1-712-432-4000
UK: 0870 119 2350
France: 0826 100 266
Germany 01805 00 7620
Enter Conference Room Number : 5948062
Martin and I tested the
quality. It’s not as good as direct skype, but it’s probably
usable. If this doesn’t work, I’ll look into other options.
Agenda
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Introduction to Christian and TmL
o
Worked on OSGI prior to Motorola. At Mot: Set
Top boxes, Application management, Java Linux phones.
o
Wants to take TmL in a emulator environment
direction initially
o
LinuxWorld in 2 weeks – inviting others to
participate
o
Creation review goal in two months
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Council follow up
o
Read: http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/RequirementsCouncil06TP.
Come to the meeting with suggestions for additions/corrections to the
“embedded device software” section.
o
Feedback:
§ Martin:
change wording of “deployment”
§ Mark:
debugging integration with eRCP – debugging on a target device
§ Shigeki:
C++ development – not just for mobile devices. Run-time libraries not
part of NAB.
§ Mika:
ok with wording
§ Christian:
will look at this now
§
Action: everyone follow
up with additions/corrections, either to me or on the Wiki directly. Please
email the group either way.
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Planning for Europa
o
Draft milestones
§ Thursday
Aug. 10, 2006 - Milestone 1 (3.3 M1) - stable build
Friday Sep. 22, 2006 - Milestone 2 (3.3 M2) - stable build
Friday Nov. 3, 2006 - Milestone 3 (3.3 M3) - stable build
Friday Dec. 15, 2006 - Milestone 4 (3.3 M4) - stable build
o
Participation
§ Milestone planning in
July. Project planning in August. First builds in September.
§ Incubation
projects can participate – criteria still being established, but see the
Callisto requirements (http://www.eclipse.org/projects/callisto.php)
to understand what the bar was for the last release. Please come to the
meeting with comments.
§ Need
to get on the train by the end of the year (November, ideally)
§ Who’s
in?
·
TM. Definitely wants to participate in the
Europa train. They are building 1.0 end of October built against 3.2. They
want to wait until after their first release. Will get on the train in
November.
·
eRCP. Hopeful. They’d like to, but they’re
not 100% sure yet. They tried to align with Callisto, but slipped a couple of
months. Would add Series 60 support after their 1.0 release. Will be ready by
November, so they could sync up. They also want to sync up platform support
with 3.3.
·
DD. Hopeful. Need to get DSF on train.
·
NAB. Hopeful. Planning major enhancements
after the first milestone. Synchronize by M4.
·
TmL. No. Not realistic at this point, but may
be able to join early next year if it’s allowed.
·
MTJ. Not sure. Will try for the end of year,
but still worried about Due Diligence.
§
Email alias to group. Each
project will need a build representative, and we should coordinate internally
in the DSDP project to help each other with the learning curve.
o
Europa Build Workshop (http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php?title=Europa_Build_Workshop)
§ Registration
Deadline: Aug 12
§ Engineer
from WR will go, likely someone from TM project.
§ Who
else is going? This is an important workshop for getting on the Europa
train
·
Mika will see if they
can send someone.
·
Shigeki can’t.
o
Updating your project plans and aligning with
Europa
§ I
think most of our project plans are stale. Now that we’re looking
at Europa, we need to get the plans updated and aligned with Europa.
§ Quick
status update from all projects
·
DD
o
DSF commit
·
eRCP
o
Move to DSDP – infrastructure move is
done. Download site is pending.
o
1.0 Release review
1. Aug
9 – shutdown process starts – only approved commits allowed
2. RC1
3rd week of August
3. RC2
end of August (only if required)
4. September
6 is the latest possible release date.
5. Schedule
Release review this week, will take place two weeks from now.
6. Qte
implementation approval is complete
o
Blog – maybe setup one with Gorkem
·
MTJ
o
Still working on EclipseME contributions (due
diligence). They are hoping that it’s close to being done.
o
Will complete everything else by first release.
·
NAB
o
Japanese help files released
o
Discussing next release.
·
TM
o
Lots of cleanup lately. M4 coming (API freeze)
o
Not as much community feedback as Martin had
hoped for. Had an encouraging call with Ericsson today, and they are
interested in participating.
o
Still on track for the release.
·
TmL
o
Just getting started. Christian is shedding
some other tasks right now.
§ Blogging
·
Doug recommends that all
of the project leads setup blogs and tie into the Eclipse aggregator.
It’s another communications channel outside of newsgroups and mail.
(for next meeting)
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Upcoming Events
o
DSDP Japan – Aug 2 (yesterday)
§ Update
from Shigeki – perhaps you can send an email update prior to the meeting.
o
Summit Europe (http://www.eclipsecon.org/summiteurope2006/)
§ I
have submitted a talk (http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/dsdp-pmc/msg00133.html).
§ Michael
Scharf (WR-rep arch council) will demonstrate TM
§ MTJ
plans? Demonstrations?
§ Other
projects?
o
ESC West
§ Submission
deadline: Sept 8
§ Come
to the meeting with some ideas
o
EclipseCon 2007
§ 2-hr
tutorial slot possibility
§ Review
of allocations for mobile/embedded track
|
Long
|
Short
|
Panel/Demo
|
Tutorial
|
Mobile
|
3
|
3
|
1
|
1
|
DSDP
|
2
|
3
|
1
|
1
|
o
Update on Doug’s press interviews (still
not scheduled)
-
IP policy transparency: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=151323
o
Discussion
-
DSDP Info center
o
http://dsdp.eclipse.org/help/latest/
o
Martin’s instructions: http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/dsdp-pmc/msg00129.html
o
Project plans?
o
Account setup?
-
Transparency in development discussions
o
The importance of “dev” lists, even
for developers from the same company.
o
Project visibility and status.
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Final issues
o
Next scheduled meeting: Sept 7
o
Meeting times with the time zone challenges
o
Face-to-face PMC meeting?
o
Staying connected
o
Other business?