[tools-pmc] RE: [mylyn-integrators] help with displaying task in editor

["Mik Kersten" <mik@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Eugene, I think that you intended to CC Bjorn, not EMO, so adding him to the
CC.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mik Kersten [mailto:mik@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:48 PM
> To: 'Eugene Kuleshov'
> Cc: 'Bjorn Freeman-Benson'; 'tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: RE: [mylyn-integrators] help with displaying task in editor
> 
> Eugene,
> 
> Mylyn committers don't have the cycles to handle all support requests
> of this sort and instead of ignoring them, we're trying to be more
> clear about our priorities, which roughly boil down to:
> 1) Progress on the release plan, ~70% of time
> 2) Consuming patches and other contributions, ~20% of time to handle
> dozens/month
> 3) Support, prioritized by things that help us make progress on (1) and
> (2), ~10% of time
> 
> We monitor all our project's channels, but rely more on users helping
> themselves on the newsgroup, and try to communicate that we cannot
> provide close hand-holding to API adopters who can refer to the
> documentation or the code.  We've never really done that, but we have
> been getting more requests of this nature.  We still respond to every
> bug report, which dominates our support time, but it's not clear that
> will continue to scale indefinitely, so we're careful not to promise
> that on our support page.
> 
> I'm open to input on how we can do a better job balancing support
> without starving the release or contributions.
> 
> Since you responded this way, I'm also concerned that my message below
> may have sounded overly harsh.  It wasn't intended to be, so I'll
> consider following up with an explanation.
> 
> Mik
> 
> --
> Mik Kersten
> CEO: http://tasktop.com/blog
> Project Lead: http://eclipse.org/mylyn
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eugene Kuleshov [mailto:eu@xxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:28 PM
> > To: Mik Kersten
> > Cc: Bjorn Freeman-Benson; tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [mylyn-integrators] help with displaying task in editor
> >
> > Mik,
> >
> >   I am quite surprised to see such response from the project lead to
> a
> > user's help request.
> >   You apre practically said that "maybe we will respond to you some
> > times". This is not a response one would expect to receive,
> especially
> > not from a person who been nominated as an Eclipse Amasador.
> >
> >   Perhaps I am interpreting the committer's guidelines too strictly.
> > They state that all project committers are *required* to participate
> to
> > the project's user news group and the mailing lists, but in my
> > observation, the presence of the current project committers on the
> > mailing list was average. Maybe the EMO and Tools PMC could clarify
> > this
> > interpretation to me.
> >
> >   See the current committer guidelines at
> >
> http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/development_process.php#4_7
> > _Committers_and_Contributors
> >
> > ----
> > Active participation in the user newsgroup and the appropriate
> > developer
> > mailing lists is a responsibility of all Committers, and is critical
> to
> > the success of the Project. Committers are required to monitor and
> > contribute to the user newsgroup.
> >
> > Committers are required to monitor the mailing lists associated with
> > the
> > Project. This is a condition of being granted commit rights to the
> > Project. It is mandatory because committers must participate in votes
> > (which in some cases require a certain minimum number of votes) and
> > must
> > respond to the mailing list in a timely fashion in order to
> facilitate
> > the smooth operation of the Project. When a Committer is granted
> commit
> > rights they will be added to the appropriate mailing lists. A
> Committer
> > must not be unsubscribed from a developer mailing list unless their
> > associated commit privileges are also revoked.
> > ----
> >
> >   regards,
> >   Eugene
> >
> >
> > Mik Kersten wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Larry,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We are always happy to hear about new connector efforts and seeing
> > > them come to fruition.  However, I want to be clear that we cannot
> > > guarantee any response time on this list, since Mylyn is a
> > > community-driven open source project that relies on integrators
> > > contributions to the project both in terms of supporting each other
> > > and updating the Ecipsepedia documentation with the knowledge they
> > > build up writing connectors.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Peter had a great answer that should help you get started.  Steffen
> > > will follow up with another pointer.  It would great if you could
> > > document your experiences in our Integrator Reference:
> > > http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Mylyn/Integrator_Reference
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For additional integration services and the definition of our
> support
> > > priorities see: http://www.eclipse.org/mylyn/support/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Happy hacking!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mik
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Mik Kersten
> > >
> > > CEO: http://tasktop.com/blog
> > >
> > > Project Lead: http://eclipse.org/mylyn
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* mylyn-integrators-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:mylyn-integrators-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Larry
> > > Edelstein
> > > *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2009 12:32 PM
> > > *To:* mylyn-integrators@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > *Subject:* [mylyn-integrators] help with displaying task in editor
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I've been working on a Mylyn connector and would like some help
> > > regarding how to display my task in a task editor page.  My
> connector
> > > pulls down data from our database just fine, and I expect that
> > pushing
> > > back to the database will also go smoothly.  I'm a little uncertain
> > of
> > > my strategy and tactics for displaying data in a task editor.  I
> want
> > > to reuse AbstractTaskEditorPage and the various
> > AbstractTaskEditorPart
> > > subclasses.  I can see that I can configure my page subclass to use
> > > which parts I want.  So far I'm just using the page as is.  But
> when
> > I
> > > run my connector, I don't see the data I expect in the page.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What should be my strategy for reusing the page and parts?  Is it
> > > merely to make sure that I map the data from my database into the
> > > correct attributes for the parts?  If so, how do I know which
> > > attributes, and which parts display themselves on the page (by
> > > default)?  By reading and tracing the code, I thought I had found
> the
> > > right parts and attributes, but I'm disappointed in my results.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Not to put too fine a point on it, but I have a demo on Wednesday
> > > morning.  Showing more results then would be very timely for this
> > > project.  If I can get some guidance on how to carry out the
> strategy
> > > I've described, or a better one, it would really help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Larry Edelstein
> > >