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Re: [soa-pmc] FW: FW: https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/session/creating-complex-bpm-solutions

Hi all,

Yes, I'll be there as well. I actually like the idea of an informal workshop better than a 3 hr brain dump to an audience with that "deer in the headlights" syndrome ;)
I have already made travel arrangements so my time there is fixed: I'll be arriving on Saturday March 15 and leaving on Thursday, the 20th in the AM.
Marc G., if you could pass around some docs or process files for the scenario you mentioned BEFORE the conference, that would give everyone a chance to understand what we're doing.

I'm looking forward to seeing everyone there!

Cheers,
Bob


Sounds great Marc, we can certainly sit together at the conference and make sure we’re working on the same baseline. If you have stuff to send around before the conference I’d be happy to take a look as well.

 

Thanks!

Adrian.

 

From: soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marc.Gille@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 04 March 2014 14:16
To: soa-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [soa-pmc] FW: FW: https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/session/creating-complex-bpm-solutions

 

Great, thanks. I will craft something for Ian/Anne later today according to what you suggested.

 

One thing especially for you, Bob and myself.

 

We will have completed or at least are very far down the road with our mobile capabilities at the conference. We will use a nice insurance/car accident reference case. Let the three of us try to make sure that we possibly have a common BPMN basis.

 

Thanks,

 

Marc

 

From: soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mos, Adrian
Sent: Dienstag, 4. März 2014 07:47
To: SOA PMC mailing list
Subject: Re: [soa-pmc] FW: FW: https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/session/creating-complex-bpm-solutions

 

H Marc!

 

Yes I’ll be there! I think it’s a good idea to have some kind of workshop and your suggestions sound good. Given the timing, I wouldn’t plan for anything too formal, more like demos that we can give, informal discussions between participants (ask them what they would like to have as features / see as demos) and so on.

 

As a title it could also be something like Eclipse SOA and BPM Integration workshop or along the lines. Or if you prefer workflow to BPM that is also fine with me.

 

Cheers,

Adrian.

 

 

Thanks, Marc,

 

How about you Bob/Adrian/Oliver? You coming?

 

Marc

 

From: soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marc Dutoo
Sent: Dienstag, 4. März 2014 06:14
To: soa-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [soa-pmc] FW: FW: https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/session/creating-complex-bpm-solutions

 

Hi Marc

I'm OK with what you suggest, that's making the better of it.

Alas, I won't be there...
However I'm going to ask my JWT colleagues about it.

On my side, things have been slow on the JWT side those last months, however there's a slight chance I might work on it in the following weeks (EMF to CMIS to help documenting SOA), in which case I'd send you a few slides.

Congratulations for plugging Eclipse SOA in anyway !

Best regards
Marc D.

Le 03/03/2014 19:38, Marc.Gille@xxxxxxxxxxx a écrit :

Gents,

 

you have seen Ian‘s response.

 

What I suggest:

 

Let’s make it a “Workflow and Integeration Workshop” (better title welcome) and plan to discuss things among the different SOA Projects. If people we are joining, we just try to engage them in the discussion.

 

We could present what we have done in the last couple of months and discuss integration. We should have quite some potential:

 

&#61623       BPMN2 Modeler,  Mangrive and Stardust should be able to exchange BPMN 2.0 by now.

&#61623       Winery might use the extensions of the Stardust Web Modeler

&#61623       Mangrove has integrated  with Stardust for Monitoring

&#61623       Marc D.?

 

If you guys are OK with the above, I volunteer to draft something for Ian to post tomorrow.

 

Mill. $ question:

 

Who of you is coming?

 

Marc

 

From: soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian Skerrett
Sent: Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2014 14:41
To: 'SOA PMC mailing list'
Cc: anne.jacko@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [soa-pmc] FW: https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/session/creating-complex-bpm-solutions

 

Marc,

 

We would be happy to provide a meeting room and a web page on the conference site. However, we are less than 3 weeks out from the conference so it is too late to add a tutorial slot.

 

Sorry

Ian

 

 

 

I take this as a „No“?

 

Marc

 

 

Ian and Anne,

 

I really apologize and the only excuse I have is that the last 2 months have been quite difficult health-wise (as indicated before) and I had to catch up business-wise. Rest assured that I am not intending to make your live difficult.

 

Is there any chance to get a final grace period till beginning of business your time tomorrow?

 

Marc

 

From: soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian Skerrett
Sent: Dienstag, 25. Februar 2014 11:53
To: 'SOA PMC mailing list'
Cc: 'Anne Jacko'
Subject: Re: [soa-pmc] FW: https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/session/creating-complex-bpm-solutions

 

Marc,

 

I know we sent you a number of reminders, one just last week. The conference starts in less than 1 month so it is too late for the schedule. We can provide a meeting room and a page on our site, similar to the CDT Summit page.  https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/content/cdtlinux-toolsptp-summit-2014

 

Ian

 

 

Thanks, Ian. That fell through the cracks before Christmas when I had my operation I guess.

 

What do you guys want to do? We can use our channels (FB, Twitter, Project Page), but I guess without marketing/listing through Eclipse it is dead?

 

Ian, I assume that is definite?

 

Thoughts?

 

Marc

 

From: soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian Skerrett
Sent: Montag, 24. Februar 2014 15:55
To: 'SOA PMC mailing list'
Subject: Re: [soa-pmc] FW: https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/session/creating-complex-bpm-solutions

 

The reason it is not on the schedule is that no one updated the session description based on my request. It is now too late to have this added as a tutorial. If SOA PMC wants to do a symposium we can provide a meeting room but it won’t be listed as a tutorial people can sign up for.

 

Ian

 

 

From: soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Brodt
Sent: February-24-14 11:35 AM
To: SOA PMC mailing list
Subject: Re: [soa-pmc] FW: https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/session/creating-complex-bpm-solutions

 

Hi my fellow SOAnians,

 

I see that the "Creating Complex BPMN Solutions" tutorial session has been accepted, but I don't see it on the schedule anywhwere. Does anyone know when this is being held (I'd like to make travel arrangements ASAP).

 

Thanks,

Bob

 


Sorry folks/Ian, was severely ill this week, hospital tomorrow. Will respond on weekend – should be OK then.

 

Marc

 

From: soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian Skerrett
Sent: Montag, 9. Dezember 2013 05:04
To: 'SOA PMC mailing list'
Subject: [soa-pmc] FW: https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/session/creating-complex-bpm-solutions

 

Not sure how to take the lack of response to my initial email?

 

To be more clear, before we add this session to the schedule 1) the title needs to be changed. I am not sure why anyone would want to learn how to create complex BPM solutions? It might be better to talk about how easy it is to implement complex BPM solutions? 2) the session abstract needs to be improved. Unless you are closely associated with the SOA project I don’t think anyone would really understand what you are trying to accomplish.  FWIW, the program committee rated this session very low due to this fact.

 

I don’t mind being supportive of these projects and providing space in the schedule but you guys also have to do the work to make sure it is properly communicated. Please let me know once you have update the submission.

 

Thanks

Ian

 

 

From: Ian Skerrett [mailto:ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: December-06-13 2:16 PM
To: 'SOA PMC mailing list'
Subject: RE: [soa-pmc] https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/session/creating-complex-bpm-solutions

 

Now that I have been lobbied, maybe I can make a few suggestions.  J

 

1)      I suggest you guys look at the CDT Summit for some ideas. They focus more on the inner community of committers and adopters. It seems to be a successful model for growing the community.

2)      I would work on the session title. ‘Creating Complex BPM Solutions’ doesn’t sound all that positive. I would also focus on adopters and integrators, not end-users.

3)      As I discussed with Marc, I don’t think SOA is viewed as being a positive thing. I’d recommend moving away from SOA.

4)      Is TOSCA a common term? You might want to define it in the abstract.

 

I’d be happy to chat with you guys about the abstract and in general what you would like to accomplish with the SOA project. Let me know.

 

Ian

 

 

From: soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mos, Adrian
Sent: December-06-13 11:35 AM
To: SOA PMC mailing list
Subject: Re: [soa-pmc] https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/session/creating-complex-bpm-solutions

 

Great, thanks Marc for the lobbying!!!

Cheers,

Adrian.

 

 

This is what I call the right attitude J

 

From: soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soa-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Brodt
Sent: Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2013 16:54
To: SOA PMC mailing list
Subject: Re: [soa-pmc] FW: https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/session/creating-complex-bpm-solutions

 

Yay! I'll try to be there even if I have to roller skate from Denver to SFO (it's all downhill anyway ;)

 

Bob

 

 


See …

 

Bob/Oliver, you must come. We have at least one pass for free. And one for the other talk. I don’t need mine.

 

Marc

 

 

Thanks, Ian.

 

Apologies for the confusion – and many thanks for your support. We did not call it SOA Symposium because

 

1.       We may even move away from the SOA branding (as discussed before) and

2.       “Symposium” sounds a bit boring.

 

Last year, we had (disappointing) 5 participants for a similar format. At ECE we had (very satisfyingly) 20+. Hence, if we make 20+ in SFO, I would consider it a success. We should cater for that.

 

Marc

 

 

Marc,

 

I missed the fact that this tutorial was a SOA Symposium. I certainly do want you guys to have the SOA Symposium this year so I am glad you want it too.  J  We definitely want to support project meetings like what you have proposed.

 

How many people do you expect, so we can plan a room size? Also do you want it Monday morning or afternoon?

 

I will need to work with Anne to find a room but I am pretty sure we can find something for you.

 

Ian

 

 

 

All,

 

I am writing this e-mail on behalf of and in accordance with the SOA PMC and to this group as I don’t have Ian Bull’s contact data. Kindly forward.

 

We greatly appreciate the acceptance of our submission

 

https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/node/359

 

However, we intend to express our frustration that a top level-project like SOA is not worth more than a 30-minute talk on an EclipseCon conference, especially taking into account that

 

·        we really had invested to put a proper, cross-project agenda for the mentioned symposium together,

·        the 3 most active projects (Mangrove, BPMN2 Editor, Stardust) represent more than 5% of the entire Kepler codebase,

·        these projects are constantly collaborating on integration (e.g. homogenized support for BPMN 2.0, monitoring integration between Mangrove and Stardust),

·        the ECE 2013 symposium was well-attended and

·        with Winery we got another promising initiative on board to connect to other industry standards (OASIS TOSCA) and first collaboration with the Winery team has already started.

 

We understand and acknowledge that participation in previous conferences and the commercial success of ECON are important criteria, but I guess at least the further is a chicken-and-egg problem.

 

In sheer desperation we suggest to do some of the content planned for the 3h symposium as a BoF session in the evening. SunGard may sponsor drinks and we will try to make it even more entertaining than a usual symposium.

 

Many thanks,

 

Marc

 

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