Clark - can you
                                          please address these within
                                          reason please? The key
                                          question here is whether we
                                          can ship the iJUG swag to
                                          Eclipse Foundation Germany
                                          without iJUG paying more
                                          money.
                                        
                                        
                                        Jan - frankly
                                          international shipping in any
                                          significant quantity is simply
                                          a hassle I hope we can avoid
                                          the best we are able or at
                                          least limit it to what is
                                          absolutely necessary. I don’t
                                          know that there is a way
                                          around paying taxes, duties,
                                          etc if you absolutely want
                                          things shipped to you. I am
                                          sure the Foundation will do
                                          what it can, but as a
                                          non-profit it cannot do
                                          anything improper. I suggest
                                          simply having Payara
                                          distribute this swag at
                                          DevNexus. If you want a few
                                          hoodies for yourself, I or Ed
                                          can save it aside and give it
                                          to you in person. That in my
                                          opinion is the most reasonable
                                          path here, pretty much for you
                                          too.
                                       
                                       
                                      
                                      
                                      Hi Reza, 
                                      
                                      first, thank you for supporting
                                      this! 
                                      
                                      Unfortunately I need some
                                      additional information and could
                                      not get 
                                      answers on the last MP Marketing
                                      Meeting: 
                                      
                                      From where the shipping will be
                                      done? 
                                      What is the worth of the shipment?
                                      
                                      Which logistic companies are
                                      involved? 
                                      When is planed to ship? 
                                      Would be able to receive the
                                      shipment free of any charge (to
                                      Germany: 
                                      additional transport fees, 19 %
                                      tax, unknown customs percentage)?
                                      
                                      
                                      As all the involved parties
                                      "optimize" the (in fact: their
                                      part only of 
                                      the) process, we are not sure we
                                      are able to receive a swag
                                      delivery in 
                                      a reliable way. 
                                      The 2021 Swag delivery failed
                                      glorious and a lot of resources
                                      are wasted 
                                      already! 
                                      
                                      To ensure the delivery of the 2022
                                      swag can be received, I want to
                                      pick 
                                      it up in person at the Eclipse
                                      Foundation Europe office or
                                      storage in 
                                      Darmstadt, Germany (
https://www.eclipse.org/org/foundation/contact.php,
                                      
                                      Silvia will be the contact
                                      person). 
                                      The other parts of the EF should
                                      be able select the best option to
                                      send 
                                      there - I only figured out that
                                      the 2022 MP Swag is not located
                                      there 
                                      already. 
                                      As I expect the swag shipment from
                                      somewhere (outside the EU) will
                                      not 
                                      be free of charge, delivery to the
                                      JavaLand (starting 21st of March)
                                      
                                      directly will not be possible
                                      already and a hub somewhere is
                                      necessary 
                                      to be in time. Or we have to store
                                      it for JavaLand 2024... 
                                      
                                      Until the swag creation and
                                      delivery process works end-to-end
                                      up to 
                                      reliable receiving, I want to pick
                                      up the swag from the EFE site,
                                      which 
                                      is reliable (of course, this is a
                                      local optimum from iJUG
                                      unfortunately). 
                                      
                                      The current process just do not
                                      work for us, as this is a push
                                      (from the 
                                      US?), not a pull where you have at
                                      least the chance to track the
                                      delivery. 
                                      Because of a lot of cheating in
                                      past of especially electronics
                                      from 
                                      China via Amazon with less worth
                                      declarations, the German customs
                                      is 
                                      strict now and also the free
                                      delivery limit has been lowered. 
                                      
                                      On top, from the business
                                      perspective the additional fees
                                      and required 
                                      resources to handle these
                                      international shipments (for
                                      swag!) are 
                                      suboptimal. 
                                      As a habitant of this planet, I am
                                      shocked that we waste so much 
                                      resources for sending enriched
                                      cotton around the globe - the
                                      smarter way 
                                      would be sending the design
                                      digitally and print locally (where
                                      
                                      possible). This also could take
                                      into account other local standards
                                      like 
                                      sizes. 
                                      
                                      But again, many thanks to you,
                                      Reza, to forward this - hopefully
                                      you 
                                      have more success than me in the
                                      past to push this into the right
                                      direction. 
                                      And I hope I can spend more
                                      resources to the technical side
                                      (like fixing 
                                      vulnerabilities at the moment)
                                      again instead of doing logistics.
                                      ;-) 
                                      
                                      Best, 
                                      Jan 
                                      
                                      Am 03.03.23 um 18:07 schrieb Reza
                                      Rahman: 
                                      > Folks, 
                                      > 
                                      > We are trying to promptly
                                      send out the 2022 swag to all
                                      members as 
                                      > agreed. I need shipping
                                      addresses for the following
                                      members for this 
                                      > purpose. I also need a phone
                                      number associated with the
                                      shipping 
                                      > address, especially for
                                      shipments outside of North
                                      America. Please 
                                      > send it to me and Emerson
                                      (copied) privately. Please
                                      indicate if you 
                                      > would like to use this
                                      address/phone number going
                                      forward. 
                                      > 
                                      > * Fujitsu 
                                      > 
                                      > * iJUG 
                                      > 
                                      > * Oracle 
                                      > 
                                      > * Primeton 
                                      > 
                                      > * Tomitribe 
                                      > 
                                      > I already have the details
                                      for Atlanta JUG, Garden State JUG,
                                      IBM, 
                                      > Payara and Red Hat - thank
                                      you. 
                                      > 
                                      > I need this by next Friday,
                                      10th March at the very latest. 
                                      > 
                                      > Thanks, 
                                      > 
                                      > Reza 
                                      > 
                                      > 
                                      >
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