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Re: [microprofile-wg] [External] : Re: MPWG- External Drive

+1 (Oracle)

-- Ed Bratt

For people like me, who are e-mail challenged, could we please not initiate ballots like this in the midst of an existing e-mail thread. For me, ideally the author or vote facilitator would create a new message with a subject like: Vote needed: 'subject/title of the resolution' -- In the body (or subject), include the ballot duration, and most importantly, the deadline/closure date. In this case, I believe the vote is being requested by members and/or representatives of the MicroProfile Steering committee. Seems like that is useful information to me.

Thank you,

-- Ed

On 1/21/2021 4:29 PM, Sharon Corbett wrote:
For avoidance of doubt, this is a joint Steering Committee decision to use the Community Folder and as such should be recorded by vote.

Thanks,
Sharon



On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 6:40 PM Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Correct John.   The Community folder under the MPWG External drive is the source of truth for current and future MPWG word-documentation. It is what MPWG website page refers to and links to as well. 
Ideally, the clean up is completed by the end of tomorrow. Current links are problematic as they are still private. Feedback like yours allows for this to be properly hushed out. đź’›

About the 3rd drive:
Last Friday, I was only reminded of it when writing the MPWG Member Onboarding wiki.  I didn't get the opportunity to send a proper note about the need to simplify until the community minutes comment,  where I pulled you in to help with the transfer, yet I provided no commentary as to why. Thanks for your help, John! 



On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 3:21 PM John Clingan <jclingan@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
MP has 3, including the MicroProfile google account I linked to below. It’s what I’ve been using and where the meeting minutes have been hosted for years. Assuming Google permissions allow it, I’ll move them over.

Everything under the Community directory looks good to share IMHO (assuming that is the location you are referring to).



On Jan 21, 2021, at 12:50 PM, Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hola John, 

MP has only 2 drives:

  • MP Drive includes marketing and MPWG stuff
  • MPWG External drive- managed with the EMO. This space is linked directly to the MPWG new website page, where the links redirect to the drive for information relevant to Processes in the Working Group. 
We need the External items under the Community folder to become public-view. 
Sharon is only waiting for us to give the OK to make the Community folder Public. 
My call to action to you and the others in the committee on this week's Community call is to check for all items in the folder and make sure that approval completes it. 

Sharon nicely removed emails from the Cmtee document, and she explains why. +1

Thanks for the follow-up, 




On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 12:43 PM John Clingan <jclingan@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Amelia, this is getting confusing for me and I’m tryinig to wrap my head around this. Currently we have three drives:


When you are talking about “community” drive, which of the three are you referring to?



On Jan 13, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Sharon, 

When you mean, we can drop anything we want to share publicly, that means we can move all items to the Community folder correct?

That's my understanding and how I plan to present this on the next Community call. We see no need nor value for private documents in the MP ecosystem. đź’›


On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 11:02 AM Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thank you for the follow-up, Sharon.
We will discuss within MicroProfilers & write back! 


On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 6:31 PM Sharon Corbett <sharon.corbett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Amelia:

Thanks for your queries and I know I'm delinquent.  Many competing priorities, thanks for your patience.

I have met with my colleagues in IT as well as Jakarta and it seems the ability to share a folder is what can be offered from Google Drive.  This applies to all working groups and the Eclipse Foundation corporate process.  In other words, put everything the Steering Committee wishes to share under the Community Folder and make that folder viewable by anyone with the link.

Thanks for your support and patience.

Sharon

On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 8:00 PM Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hola Sharon, 

Allow me to ask you a few more questions.  I am confused that a simple request is too complex:
  1. Is the External folder required compliance for all WGs?
  2. Does your message mean that WG projects like the MPWG, which do not care for any form of privacy or vacuum working - which includes its navigations with the EF EMO, do not have control or a say on things such as the visibility of their assigned EF-WG folder? 
  3. If yes to question 1, can we regain control of the documents we have trusted in that External Folder?  We expect it to be "public view access" if that is not the case, it violates the MPWG Charter and will need to be abandoned. 
  4. If yes to question 2,  where can we direct a complaint to initiate or demand openness within the EF INFRA for Working Group compliance? 
We can find a middle ground where both MPWG and EF are better off by tackling issues that are not conducive to transparency. 
Many things need improvement across the WG processes.  We have been providing feedback and filling Bugzilla tickets... 
This seems to be a new opportunity to tackle the stuff that is not healthy nor desirable in open-source practices! 

Thank you, Sharon, 


On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 10:52 AM Sharon Corbett <sharon.corbett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Amelia:

Its my understanding Google Drives cannot be shared as you suggest at least not based on the Eclipse Foundation's configuration.  My research indicates folders and documents are shareable to view by anyone with a link.  As a result, a suggestion would be to use the Community Folder and create sub folders beneath it for community files that require this level of viewing.  Steering Committee members should have the ability to adjust based on folders and documents.  If not, you can let me know.

I hope this helps.  

Regards,
Sharon



On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 1:54 PM Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sharon, 

can you please prioritize today the public view access to the MP - External drive?
All links now are added to the MPWG page in the website, and those helping make the release possible in 2020 are finding the privacy in the Ballot folder and spec, etc, contrary to MP preferred methods. 

Thank you in advance for prioritizing this request, 
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