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From: Lukas Jungmann <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:16:32 +0100
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On 1/11/22 9:01 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:

Le lun. 10 janv. 2022 à 21:18, Lukas Jungmann <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>> a écrit :


    On 1/10/22 9:00 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
     > Well I would defend that in terms of time it is quite fast (way
    faster
     > than using jakarta instead of javax for ex since it is just about
    moving
     > the code, there is no restriction about resources AFAIK - weridly).

    every TCK comes with documentation, assertions list and other files,
    some do also have tests defined in text/html/xml files etc, so it is
    not
    just about moving the code. Some TCKs also take non-trivial amount of
    time to set up and execute (probably the longest one is xml binding tck
    which is ~8hours/run) to test/check the change.

Ok, fast = < 1h man time investment cause it can be 100% automated (doneby bulk at least for the poor man solution), so still not a blockerIMHO....

under the assumption each project is handled by different group ofpeople. Suprisingly, that is not true and there are cases where the sizeof the group is low and corresponding number of projects to handle bysuch group is high.

So the question is - who will do the real work on TCKs side to guaranteethat current target date - end of Feb, so sth like 6 weeks from now,unless I'm mistaken - is not put on risk?


--lukas


and anyway it is about ensuring tck will help to certify the

vendors or tck will be dead binaries so not sure there is a choice.


    thanks,
    --lukas

     > Now it is also a miss in javax->jakarta move and nobody
    complained until
     > now so maybe all vendors have workarounds and it is not that
    critical
     > but I would fix it, worse case in a new release of TCK without
     > re-releasing the platform (= make the release then catch up but
    ensure
     > it is done somehow).
     >
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     > Le lun. 10 janv. 2022 à 20:54, Lukas Jungmann
    <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>
     > <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>>> a écrit :
     >
     >     On 1/10/22 8:45 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
     >      > @Lukas: as Emily pointed out we are not talking about
     >     implementation -
     >      > we mentionned implementations have solutions for that in
    general
     >     but it
     >      > is not a requirement of TCK nor the platform - and it is
     >     referenced in
     >      > the platform itself. Reusing the same namespace is wrong as
     >     explained
     >      > before and is the best promise of a not functional setup.
    I can
     >     agree
     >      > JSON* specs are quite particular cause rather simpler than
    others
     >     and
     >      > for this one it will likely work but it is not the most common
     >     case and
     >      > I don't think aving a particular case not showing a good
    example
     >     of the
     >      > platform best practise would be good to promote - but
    means it is
     >     ok to
     >      > not change for next release but will be a must after if
    you are
     >     afraid
     >      > of delays.
     >
     >     to be clear - I'm not against requiring it for the next
    release. I'm
     >     against requiring it now for EE 10 given where we are,
    especially for
     >     specs which are near completion, such as JSON Processing, or
    generally
     >     specs in waves 0-1 (maybe 2). Those in later waves do still
    have some
     >     reasonable amount of time to adapt to this change.
     >
     >     thanks,
     >     --lukas
     >
     >
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     >      > Le lun. 10 janv. 2022 à 20:23, Thomas Watson
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     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
     >      > <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>> a écrit :
     >      >
     >      >     I agree this is a rather lengthy thread, things get
    lost and
     >     I would
     >      >     not like to rehash this conversation again.  I'll only
    point
     >     you to
     >      >     this portion of the thread that I encourage you to read:
     >      >
     >      >
     >
    https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-platform-dev/msg03064.html
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     >      >
     >      >     Tom
     >      >     P.S.  I know we want more to happen outside of the
    calls, but I
     >      >     think stuff like this would have been much better
    tracked in a
     >      >     github issue than continuing in a mailing list thread
    like this.
     >      >
     >      >         ----- Original message -----
     >      >         From: "Lukas Jungmann" <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         Subject: Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [External] : Re:
     >      >         Standardizing new TCK packages (was:package
    prefixes for
     >     Jakarta
     >      >         Batch TCK-related classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
     >      >         Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2022 1:12 PM
     >      >         On 1/10/22 7:08 PM, Emily Jiang via
     >     jakartaee-platform-dev wrote:
     >      >          > The reasoning was mentioned in this mailing
    list thread as
     >      >         part of
     >      >          > conversation.
     >      >
     >      >         I'm sorry but I got lost in the thread at the
    point where
     >     it was
     >      >         said
     >      >         that _some_ implementations are having hard times
    optimizing
     >      >         themselves.
     >      >         If that is the problem, then, IMHO,
    implementations should be
     >      >         fixed as
     >      >         they are usually those the best knowing the real "why"
     >     for what
     >      >         are they
     >      >         doing. I believe that what they are doing is not
    correct
     >     in 100%
     >      >         cases
     >      >         and  it is possibly just a matter of time till someone
     >     files an
     >      >         issue
     >      >         for some of those corner-cases for which the
     >     "optimization" is
     >      >         wrong.
     >      >
     >      >         Or are we going to just exclude/update failing tests
     >     instead of
     >      >         fixing
     >      >         the root causes of the problems going forward?
     >      >
     >      >         thanks,
     >      >         --lukas
     >      >
     >      >
     >      >          > Thanks
     >      >          > Emily
     >      >          >
     >      >          > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 5:48 PM Lukas Jungmann
     >      >          > <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
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    <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
     >      >          >
     >      >          >     On 1/10/22 6:31 PM, Emily Jiang via
     >      >         jakartaee-platform-dev wrote:
     >      >          >      > Hi Lukas,
     >      >          >      >
     >      >          >      > In your scenario, since you are using
    the forbidden
     >      >         package naming
     >      >          >      > convention, I think it should be updated for
     >     Jakarta
     >      >         EE 10.
     >      >          >
     >      >          >     Who and when has forbidden it?
     >      >          >
     >      >          >     thanks,
     >      >          >     --lukas
     >      >          >
     >      >          >      > Before the voting is over, you can
    choose one
     >     of the
     >      >         options in
     >      >          >     the list
     >      >          >      > and go from there.
     >      >          >      > Thanks
     >      >          >      > Emily
     >      >          >      >
     >      >          >      > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 5:21 PM Lukas
    Jungmann
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    <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
     >      >          >      >
     >      >          >      >     On 1/10/22 5:54 PM, Thomas Watson wrote:
     >      >          >      >      > +1
     >      >          >      >      > So far we have only agreed that for
     >     Jakarta 10 the
     >      >          >     jakarta.* package
     >      >          >      >      > name must NOT be used.  Ideally
    we would
     >     have a
     >      >         vote so
     >      >          >     that any new
     >      >          >      >      > TCKs for Jakarta 10 would be able
    to use an
     >      >         agreed package
     >      >          >     name,
     >      >          >      >     but I
     >      >          >      >      > don't think we should delay
    anything for
     >      >         Jakarta 10 outside of
     >      >          >      >     not allow
     >      >          >      >      > jakarta.* be used for TCK packages.
     >      >          >      >
     >      >          >      >     just to make sure I understand this - in
     >     jsonp-tck
     >      >         which has been
     >      >          >      >     extracted from the platform repo to
    jsonp repo,
     >      >         tests were
     >      >          >     moved to
     >      >          >      >     `jakarta.jsonp.tck` package and the
    TCK as
     >     such is
     >      >         considered
     >      >          >     almost
     >      >          >      >     complete. We have one pending PR
    there + final
     >      >         review pending
     >      >          >     before
     >      >          >      >     turning the draft spec PR into the
    regular one.
     >      >         Are we really
     >      >          >     required
     >      >          >      >     to refactor everything at this stage
    again?
     >      >          >      >
     >      >          >      >     --lukas
     >      >          >      >
     >      >          >      >      >
     >      >          >      >      > Tom
     >      >          >      >      >
     >      >          >      >      >     ----- Original message -----
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     >      >         [jakartaee-platform-dev]
     >      >          >      >     Standardizing new
     >      >          >      >      >     TCK packages (was:package
    prefixes for
     >      >         Jakarta Batch
     >      >          >     TCK-related
     >      >          >      >      >     classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
     >      >          >      >      >     Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2022 10:22 AM
     >      >          >      >      >     Hi Scott,
     >      >          >      >      >     My responses are inline below.
     >      >          >      >      >
     >      >          >      >      >     Thanks
     >      >          >      >      >
     >      >          >      >      >     Emily
     >      >          >      >      >
     >      >          >      >      >     On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 4:14 PM
     >     Scott Marlow
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    wrote:
     >      >          >      >      >
     >      >          >      >      >         On 1/6/22 4:51 PM, David
    Blevins
     >     wrote:
     >      >          >      >      >>         It sounds like we're all
    coming to
     >      >         agreement and
     >      >          >     we're
     >      >          >      >     down to
> > > > >> just picking the name.To Nathan's
     >      >         point, being
     >      >          >     quick
     >      >          >      >     is key.
     >      >          >      >      >>
     >      >          >      >      >>         Here's a proposal on how to
     >     wrap this up:
     >      >          >      >      >>
     >      >          >      >      >>          - We give till Monday 8am
     >     Pacific for
     >      >         people to
     >      >          >     suggest a
     >      >          >      >      >>         package prefix that does
    not start
     >      >         with "jakarta"
     >      >          >      >      >>
     >      >          >      >      >>          - On Monday we start a
    72-hour
     >     rank
     >      >         choice vote
     >      >          >     here on the
     >      >          >      >      >>         mailing list.
     >      >          >      >      >>
     >      >          >      >      >>          - If the chosen option
    needs to be
     >      >         eliminated
     >      >          >     for any
     >      >          >      >     reason,
     >      >          >      >      >>         we go to the second choice,
     >     etc.  No
     >      >         new vote
     >      >          >     necessary
     >      >          >      >     (yay,
     >      >          >      >      >>         ranked choice).
     >      >          >      >      >>
     >      >          >      >      >>          - The chosen prefix
    would be a
     >      >         recommendation for
     >      >          >      >     Jakarta EE
     >      >          >      >      >>         10 and a requirement for
    Jakarta EE
     >      >         11.  TCK
     >      >          >     classes from
     >      >          >      >      >>         Jakarta EE 9.x and
    before are
     >     exempt,
     >      >         though we
     >      >          >     may chose to
     >      >          >      >      >>         have a separate
    discussion to
     >     change
     >      >         them at some
     >      >          >     point.
     >      >          >      >      >
     >      >          >      >      >         Will the vote be for
     >     recommending that
     >      >         new TCK
     >      >          >     tests to
     >      >          >      >     be added
     >      >          >      >      >         to EE 10 will use the package
     >     prefix?
     >      >          >      >      >
     >      >          >      >      >       I think if possible, use
    the agreed
     >      >         package prefix.
     >      >          >     If not,
     >      >          >      >     leave
     >      >          >      >      >     it for now. I think the
    minimum is
     >     not to
     >      >         use jakarta.*
     >      >          >      >     prefix as it
     >      >          >      >      >     might cause issues.
     >      >          >      >      >
     >      >          >      >      >         Will the vote be for
    requiring
     >     that new
     >      >         TCK tests
     >      >          >     to be
     >      >          >      >     added to
     >      >          >      >      >         EE 11 will use the
    package prefix?
     >      >          >      >      >
     >      >          >      >      >     Jakarta EE 11 new TCKs must
    use the new
     >      >         namespace.
     >      >          >      >      >
     >      >          >      >      >         Scott
     >      >          >      >      >
     >      >          >      >      >>         Unless there are other
     >     proposals, I'll
     >      >         kick that
     >      >          >     vote off on
     >      >          >      >      >>         Monday.
     >      >          >      >      >>
     >      >          >      >      >>
     >      >          >      >      >>         -David
     >      >          >      >      >>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         On Jan 6, 2022, at
    10:51 AM,
     >     Nathan Rauh
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     >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Emily,
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         To answer your
    question, it's an
     >      >         existing TCK
     >      >          >     that we are
     >      >          >      >      >>>         porting from the
    platform into
     >     the the
     >      >          >     particular spec
     >      >          >      >      >>>         project where we are also
     >     adding new
     >      >         test cases to
     >      >          >      >     cover the
     >      >          >      >      >>>         function that is new in EE
     >     10.  The
     >      >         developer
     >      >          >     working
     >      >          >      >     on the
     >      >          >      >      >>>         TCK port overachieved
    and had
     >     renamed the
     >      >          >     packages from
     >      >          >      >      >>>         whatever they were
    previously to
     >      >         jakarta.*, and
     >      >          >     then others
     >      >          >      >      >>>         of us when adding new tests
     >     used the same
     >      >          >     package to match
     >      >          >      >      >>>         the ported tests.  To
     >     reiterate what
     >      >         stated in my
     >      >          >      >     reply, this
     >      >          >      >      >>>         is not going to be a
    concern for
     >      >         TomEE and others
     >      >          >      >     because I'm
     >      >          >      >      >>>         agreeing to get the TCK
    off of the
     >      >         jakarta.*
     >      >          >     packages
     >      >          >      >     for EE
     >      >          >      >      >>>         10 - just not to wait
    for the
     >     outcome
     >      >         of what
     >      >          >     will be
     >      >          >      >     the new
     >      >          >      >      >>>         convention because that
    would
     >     set us
     >      >         back too far.
     >      >          >      >     Given the
     >      >          >      >      >>>         number of positive
    replies to
     >     that, I
     >      >         already have a
     >      >          >      >     pull in
     >      >          >      >      >>>         place to do so and have
    notified
     >      >         several other spec
     >      >          >      >      >>>         participants who have
    new TCK
     >     tests
     >      >         that they
     >      >          >     are writing
     >      >          >      >      >>>         currently in progress
    so that
     >     can use
     >      >         a different
     >      >          >      >     package.  I
     >      >          >      >      >>>         appreciate the quick
    replies from
     >      >         everyone -
     >      >          >     this is a case
     >      >          >      >      >>>         where being able to
    take decisive
     >      >         action right away
     >      >          >      >      >>>         definitely lessens the
    impact.
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         From:        "Romain
    Manni-Bucau"
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     >     developer
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     >      >          >      >      >>>         Date:        01/06/2022
    12:18 PM
> > > > >>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
     >      >          >     [jakartaee-platform-dev]
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Standardizing new TCK
    packages
     >      >         (was:package
     >      >          >     prefixes for
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Jakarta Batch TCK-related
     >      >          >     classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
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     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Just want to remind we
    don't speak
     >      >         about some
     >      >          >     issue with
     >      >          >      >      >>>         implementations - typically
     >     TomEE has
     >      >         a "toggle" to
     >      >          >      >     solve it
     >      >          >      >      >>>         - but with the spec which
     >     forbids it
     >      >         so it means
     >      >          >     that using
     >      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.tck is forbidden by
     >     jakarta
     >      >         as quote
     >      >          >     earlier, in
     >      >          >      >      >>>         particular cause most
    of TCK
     >     are ran
     >      >         in servlet
     >      >          >     context by
     >      >          >      >      >>>         the TCK runner and it
    had been
     >     like
     >      >         that since
     >      >          >     years, I
     >      >          >      >     just
     >      >          >      >      >>>         think javax -> jakarta
    (and more
     >      >         likely sun ->
     >      >          >     eclipse)
     >      >          >      >     move
     >      >          >      >      >>>         missed that.
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         So no choice to rename, it
     >     seems the
     >      >         options are:
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         * jakarta.ee- from my
    point of
     >     view
     >      >         it comes from
     >      >          >      >     nowhere for
     >      >          >      >      >>>         anyone not deeply
    involved in
     >     Jakarta,
     >      >          >      >      >>>         * tck.jakarta - not
    very neat
     >     but works
     >      >          >      >      >>>         *
    org.eclipse.jakarta.tck - I
     >     still
     >      >         think it is
     >      >          >     the most
     >      >          >      >      >>>         consistent with what
    Jakarta
     >     is as of
     >      >         today.
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Agree existing spec (using
     >     org.jboss
     >      >         for ex)
     >      >          >     don't need to
     >      >          >      >      >>>         move now, the only
    requirement
     >     is to
     >      >         not use
     >      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.something for
    anything
     >     which
     >      >         is actually
     >      >          >      >     deployed as
     >      >          >      >      >>>         an application.
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    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> a écrit :
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Nathan,
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Which Jakarta spec tcks
     >     already used this
     >      >          >     package starting
     >      >          >      >      >>>         with jakarta.*? Is this
    change new
     >      >         for Jakarta
     >      >          >     EE 10 or
     >      >          >      >      >>>         already released in the
    earlier
     >      >         Jakarta EE
     >      >          >     release? If
     >      >          >      >     it was
     >      >          >      >      >>>         released before, then
    it is not an
     >      >         issue. If it
     >      >          >     is a new
     >      >          >      >      >>>         change, will this be a
    concern for
     >      >         TomEE as
     >      >          >     mentioned
     >      >          >      >     by David?
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         When TomEE (might be
    others)
     >     comes to
     >      >         run the
     >      >          >     tck, it might
     >      >          >      >      >>>         cause issues. David, any
     >     thoughts on
     >      >         this? If it
     >      >          >     is the
     >      >          >      >     case,
     >      >          >      >      >>>         it might be ok to choose a
     >     different
     >      >         package such as
     >      >          >      >      >>>         ee.jakarta or
    jakartatck etc.
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         By the way, the new naming
     >     convention
     >      >         is for new
     >      >          >     specs. The
     >      >          >      >      >>>         existing specs should
    adopt it
     >     in the
     >      >         subsequent
     >      >          >     release EE
     >      >          >      >      >>>         11 once we have reached
     >     agreement on
     >      >         which name
     >      >          >     to use.
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Thanks
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Emily
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at
    3:41 PM
     >     Nathan
     >      >         Rauh
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    <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
     >      >          >      >      >>>         This discussion is
    concerning
     >     because
     >      >         one of the
     >      >          >     Jakarta
     >      >          >      >      >>>         specs that I'm working
    on and
     >     which
     >      >         is already
     >      >          >     cutting
     >      >          >      >     it too
     >      >          >      >      >>>         close making the EE 10
    release is
     >      >         unfortunately
     >      >          >     using
     >      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.* package names
    for TCK
     >      >         classes, and now
     >      >          >     it's going
     >      >          >      >      >>>         to need to change, further
     >      >         compromising our
     >      >          >     chances of
> > > > >>> getting into EE 10.The chosen
     >      >         package name
     >      >          >     doesn't matter
     >      >          >      >      >>>         to me, nor does whether
    or not
     >     there is
     >      >          >     standardization
     >      >          >      >      >>>         across TCKs.  What does
    matter (to
     >      >         this spec at
     >      >          >     least) is
     >      >          >      >      >>>         getting a decision made
     >     quickly, but
     >      >         I don't
     >      >          >     foresee a
     >      >          >      >      >>>         decision on this being
    reached
     >      >         anytime soon
     >      >          >     given the many
     >      >          >      >      >>>         widely varying opinions
    that will
     >      >         likely eventually
     >      >          >      >     become a
     >      >          >      >      >>>         vote, itself with a
    sufficient
     >     period
     >      >         of time
     >      >          >     for votes
     >      >          >      >     to be
     >      >          >      >      >>>         collected and all of that.
     >     It's just
     >      >         way too
     >      >          >     late into
     >      >          >      >     EE 10
     >      >          >      >      >>>         for adding a new
    requirement like
     >      >         this, and I'm
     >      >          >     going to
     >      >          >      >      >>>         suggest that it apply
    to EE 11
     >      >         instead, with the
     >      >          >      >      >>>         understanding that for
    EE 10,
     >     we'll
     >      >         at least get
     >      >          >     off of the
     >      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.* package name
    in the
     >     tck to
     >      >         something
     >      >          >     else and
     >      >          >      >     then
     >      >          >      >      >>>         align with whatever you
    decide
     >     in EE
     >      >         11. Unless
     >      >          >     anyone
     >      >          >      >      >>>         objects, that's what
    I'll plan
     >     on doing.
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    09:20 AM
> > > > >>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
     >      >          >     [jakartaee-platform-dev]
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Standardizing new TCK
    packages
     >      >         (was:package
     >      >          >     prefixes for
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Jakarta Batch TCK-related
     >      >          >     classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
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     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         At least org.glassfish
    still
     >     seems to
     >      >         be used.
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Werner
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Gesendet von Mailfür
    Windows
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Von: Mike Milinkovich
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6.
     >     Januar 2022
     >      >         15:24
     >      >          >      >      >>>         An:
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     >      >          >      >      >>>         Betreff: Re:
     >     [jakartaee-platform-dev]
     >      >          >     Standardizing new TCK
     >      >          >      >      >>>         packages (was:package
    prefixes for
     >      >         Jakarta Batch
     >      >          >      >     TCK-related
> > > > >>> classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         I would like to point
    out that
     >     we do
     >      >         not use
     >      >          >     "org" anywhere
     >      >          >      >      >>>         with Jakarta at the
    moment. We
     >     do not
     >      >         own the
     >      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.orgdomain name, for
     >     example.
     >      >         We do own
     >      >          >     and use the
     >      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.eedomain name.
     >      >          >      >      >>>         From my perspective,
    starting
     >     to use
     >      >         the .org
     >      >          >     TLD with
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Jakarta for this
    purpose might be
     >      >         confusing.
     >      >          >      >      >>>         On 2022-01-06 9:09
    a.m., Scott
     >     Kurz
     >      >         wrote:
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         +1  fororg.jakartatck.*
     >      >          >      >      >>>         (though OK with the
    other options)
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Thanks David for making
    that an
     >      >         option and
     >      >          >     thanks all for
     >      >          >      >      >>>         giving this some
    thought.     Even
     >      >         though not
     >      >          >     too many
     >      >          >      >     people
     >      >          >      >      >>>         look at a TCK relatively
     >     speaking it
     >      >         seemed
     >      >          >     better to
     >      >          >      >     be good
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Java citizens and use a
     >     package of a
     >      >         domain name
     >      >          >     we own.
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >
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     >      >          >      >      >>>         Standardizing new TCK
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     >      >         package
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     >      >          >      >      >>>         Jakarta Batch
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     >      >          >      >      >>>         Thank you David for the
    detailed
     >      >         explanation! I now
     >      >          >      >      >>>         understood the concern.
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     >     might work:
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         -- tck.jakarta.<spec>.
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     >      >          >      >      >>>         In all, we could choose one
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     >      >          >      >      >>>         On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at
    12:09
     >     AM David
     >      >         Blevins
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    <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
     >      >          >      >      >>>         I think I finally see what
     >     Romain is
     >      >         talking about.
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         I know in TomEE we have
    several
     >      >         optimizations to
     >      >          >     try and
     >      >          >      >      >>>         speed up deployment and
    bytecode
     >      >         scanning.  We'll
     >      >          >      >     filter out
     >      >          >      >      >>>         jars that match
    patterns like
     >      >         log4j-*, openejb-*,
     >      >          >      >     jakarta-*.
     >      >          >      >      >>>          Those jars are removed
    from
     >     the list
     >      >         of jars
     >      >          >     that could
     >      >          >      >      >>>         potentially contain
     >     applications and
     >      >         they'll
     >      >          >     never be
     >      >          >      >      >>>         searched for
    annotations like
     >      >         @Singleton, etc.
     >      >          >      >     Additionally,
     >      >          >      >      >>>         as everyone uses somewhat
     >     expensive
     >      >         bytecode readers
     >      >          >      >     like ASM
     >      >          >      >      >>>         to parse bytecode and
    scan for
     >      >         annotations, we have
     >      >          >      >      >>>         additional filters to skip
     >      >         non-application
     >      >          >     classes, such as
> > > > >>> javax.* and jakarta.*.There are
     >      >         classloader
     >      >          >     related
     >      >          >      >     actions
     >      >          >      >      >>>         as well.
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         Here's an example we hit in
     >      >         EclipseLink when we
     >      >          >     tried
     >      >          >      >     to use
     >      >          >      >      >>>         the Eclipse Transformer
    to do the
     >      >          >     javax-to-jakarta change.
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         -
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >
     >      >          >
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     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         We were transforming
     >     EclipseLink 2.x
     >      >         which did
     >      >          >     not have the
> > > > >>> `!name.startsWith("jakarta.")`
     >     string
     >      >         check, so
     >      >          >     jakarta.*
     >      >          >      >      >>>         classes were getting
    loaded as
     >      >         application
     >      >          >     classes and
     >      >          >      >      >>>         causing most tests to
    fail.
     >     We hit
     >      >         this in a
     >      >          >     few different
     >      >          >      >      >>>         libraries and ended up
    having to
     >      >         patch source to
     >      >          >     ensure
     >      >          >      >      >>>         "jakarta." and
    "Ljakarta/" were
     >      >         factored into
     >      >          >     any code that
     >      >          >      >      >>>         checked for "javax." as a
     >     package or
     >      >         "Ljavax/"
     >      >          >     as bytecode.
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         If we started putting
    the TCK
     >     tests
     >      >         in "jakarta.tck"
     >      >          >      >     and that
     >      >          >      >      >>>         also included the test
     >     applications
     >      >         we need to
     >      >          >     deploy and
     >      >          >      >      >>>         verify, that definitely
    will cause
     >      >         issues in a
     >      >          >     handful of
     >      >          >      >      >>>         component
    implementations we
     >     all use.
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         The only way to handle it
     >     would be to
     >      >         update
     >      >          >     code like this
     >      >          >      >      >>>         to have an exclusion that
     >     explicitly
     >      >         checks for
     >      >          >      >     "jakarta.tck"
     >      >          >      >      >>>         and ensures it is
    treated as
     >     user-created
     >      >          >     application code
     >      >          >      >      >>>         and bypasses any "javax" or
     >     "jakarta"
     >      >         checks.
     >      >          >     That's going
     >      >          >      >      >>>         to mean there'll be
    code in our
     >      >         implementations
     >      >          >     that says
     >      >          >      >      >>>         essentially  "if your
    code starts
     >      >         with jakarta.tck,
     >      >          >      >     make sure
     >      >          >      >      >>>         it's treated correctly,
     >     otherwise do
     >      >         something
     >      >          >     else."  That
     >      >          >      >      >>>         could be a slippery slope.
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         It's probably better if we
     >     don't put
     >      >         ourselves in a
     >      >          >      >     situation
     >      >          >      >      >>>         were we have to write
    code to
     >      >         specially handle TCK
     >      >          >      >     applications.
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         It occurs to be in writing
     >     this that
     >      >         literally any
     >      >          >      >     characters
     >      >          >      >      >>>         before "jakarta" solves
    this
     >     issue.
     >      >         If we want
     >      >          >     a short
     >      >          >      >     name,
     >      >          >      >      >>>         we do own the
    jakarta.eedomain
     >     and can
     >      >          >     potentially use
     >      >          >      >     either
     >      >          >      >      >>>         of these:
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         - ee.jakarta.*
     >      >          >      >      >>>         - ee.jakarta.tck.*
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         I also just looked and
     >     jakartatck.orgwas
     >      >          >     available, so I
     >      >          >      >      >>>         purchased that and we could
     >      >         potentially use:
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         - org.jakartatck.*
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>         If we wanted to go that
    direction,
     >      >         I'd just transfer
     >      >          >      >      >>>         jakartatck.orgto the
    Working Group
     >      >         like I did when
     >      >          >      >     purchased
     >      >          >      >      >>> jakarta.ee
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     >      >
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>>
     >      >          >      >
     >      >          >       <http://jakarta.ee
    <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGDSdTO_0$>
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>>
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> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>> <http://jakarta.ee <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGDSdTO_0$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>>
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> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>>>
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     >      >          >       <http://jakarta.ee
    <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGDSdTO_0$>
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>>
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> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>> <http://jakarta.ee <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGDSdTO_0$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>>
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> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>>
     >      >         <http://jakarta.ee
    <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGDSdTO_0$>
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>>
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> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>> <http://jakarta.ee <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGDSdTO_0$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>>
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> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>>>>.
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     >      >          >      >      >>>         David Blevins
     >      >          >      >      >>> http://twitter.com/dblevins
    <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGzdRRA-M$>
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>>
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> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>>
     >      >
     >      >          >     <http://twitter.com/dblevins
    <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGzdRRA-M$>
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>>
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> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>>>
     >      >          >      >
     >      >          >       <http://twitter.com/dblevins
    <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGzdRRA-M$>
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>>
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> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>> <http://twitter.com/dblevins <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGzdRRA-M$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>>
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> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>>>>
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     >      >          >       <http://twitter.com/dblevins
    <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGzdRRA-M$>
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>>
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     >      >         <http://twitter.com/dblevins
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     >      >          >      >      >>> http://www.tomitribe.com
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     >      >
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     >      >
     >      >          >     <http://www.tomitribe.com
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     >      >
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     >      >          >      >
     >      >          >       <http://www.tomitribe.com
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     >      >
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     >      >
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$>>>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>
     >      >          >      >
     >      >          >       <http://www.tomitribe.com
    <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGL7lmUsQ$>
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$>>
     >      >
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$>>> <http://www.tomitribe.com <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGL7lmUsQ$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$>>
     >      >
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$>>>>
     >      >         <http://www.tomitribe.com
    <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGL7lmUsQ$>
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$>>
     >      >
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$>>> <http://www.tomitribe.com <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGL7lmUsQ$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$>>
     >      >
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$>>>>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         On Jan 5, 2022, at
    1:19 PM,
     >     Thomas
     >      >         Watson
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>
     >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
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     >      >          >      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Just to make sure I
     >     understand you.
     >      >         Are you
     >      >          >      >     suggesting that
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         an application class
    loader
     >     for the
     >      >         old Java EE
     >      >          >     (e.g. Java
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         EE 8) must not allow
    not allow an
     >      >         application
     >      >          >     (WAR) to
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         package and load any
    classes from
     >      >         javax.* which
     >      >          >     they
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         contain.  For example, no
     >      >         application server should
     >      >          >      >     allow an
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         application to contain and
     >      >         successfully load
     >      >          >      >     javax.foo.Bar?
     >      >          >      >      >>>>          And now that we are
    in the
     >      >         jakarta.* namespace no
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         application server should
     >     allow an
     >      >         application
     >      >          >     to package
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         and load a jakarta.foo.Bar
     >     class?
     >      >         What about javax
     >      >          >      >     now that
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         we are jakarta, can
     >     applications in
     >      >         Jakarta 9 now
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         successfully include
    and load
     >      >         javax.foo.Bar?
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         I have to say this is
    news to me,
     >      >         and I do not
     >      >          >     believe
     >      >          >      >     that
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         is the way most
    application
     >     servers
     >      >         behave.
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Tom
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         ----- Original message
    -----
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         From: "Romain Manni-Bucau"
     >      >          >     <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
     >      >          >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
> > > > >>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
     >      >          >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Sent by:
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > ><mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
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    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >          >      >
     >       <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > ><mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >
     >        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >          >      >
     >       <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         To:
    "jakartaee-platform developer
     >      >         discussions"
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >       <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > > <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >           <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > > <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Cc:
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
     >      >         [jakartaee-platform-dev]
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Standardizing new TCK
     >     packages (was:
     >      >         package
     >      >          >     prefixes for
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Jakarta Batch TCK-related
     >     classes?
     >      >          >      >     org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Date: Wed, Jan 5, 2022
    2:09 PM
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à
    20:37,
     >     Thomas
     >      >         Watson
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>
     >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
     >      >          >      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >          >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> a écrit :
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>         If you want one
    example, servlet
     >      >         10.7.2 (for
     >      >          >     v4.0 to take
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>         one example) explicit
    it and for
     >      >         good technical
     >      >          >      >     reasons so
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>         it is a "must stay"
    but it
     >     implies
     >      >         TCK shouldn't
     >      >          >      >     reuse the
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>         same package by
    design and as it
     >      >         always had
     >      >          >     been so
     >      >          >      >     it let
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>         you org.eclipse for
    projects
     >      >         without an historical
     >      >          >      >     package
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>         (guess it is more
    than fine
     >     to keep the
     >      >          >     existing one when
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>         it is there).
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         In no way do I see how
    that
     >     section
     >      >         of the v4.0
     >      >          >      >     servlet spec
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         says anything about
     >     jakarta.*.  That
     >      >         package didn't
     >      >          >      >     exist in
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         v4.  For v5 we have:
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >
     >      >          >
     >      >
     >
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     >      >          >
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     >      >          >      >
     >      >          >
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     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >
     >      >          >
     >      >
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     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Here I think you are
    referring to
     >      >         this sentence:
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         "Servlet containers
    that are not
     >      >         part of a
     >      >          >     Jakarta EE
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         product should not
    allow the
     >      >         application to
     >      >          >     override
     >      >          >      >     Jakarta
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         EE platform classes,
    such as
     >     those
     >      >         in the jakarta.*
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         namespaces, that
    Jakarta EE
     >     does not
     >      >         allow to be
     >      >          >      >     modified."
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         TCK classes are not
     >     considered platform
     >      >          >     classes, they are
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         TCK classes.  I don't
    see how
     >     this
     >      >         sentence
     >      >          >     applies to a
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         possible jakarta.tck
    package.
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         This is true for part
    of the
     >     tck but
     >      >         most of
     >      >          >     them are
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         *applications*
    (servlet for a
     >      >         trivial example,
     >      >          >      >     everything in
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         war/ear for another one).
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Just stated what we
    have and do -
     >      >         and to be
     >      >          >     honest it is
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         normal otherwise tck
    wouldnt
     >     validate
     >      >          >     compliance using a
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         custom packaging ;).
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Tom
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         ----- Original message
    -----
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         From: "Romain Manni-Bucau"
     >      >          >     <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
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     >      >          >      >      >>>>         To: "Emily Jiang"
     >      >         <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Cc:
    "jakartaee-platform developer
     >      >         discussions"
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    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
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    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
     >      >         [jakartaee-platform-dev]
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Standardizing new TCK
     >     packages (was:
     >      >         package
     >      >          >     prefixes for
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Jakarta Batch TCK-related
     >     classes?
     >      >          >      >     org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Date: Wed, Jan 5, 2022
    10:09 AM
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à
    16:37,
     >     Emily
     >      >         Jiang
> > > > >>>> <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
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    <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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    <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
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     >      >          >      >      >>>>
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     >      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> a écrit :
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         @Romain Manni-Bucau
     >      >          >      >      >>>>          I must have
    misunderstood your
     >      >         question. Let
     >      >          >     me try again
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         to clarify this:
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         1. what's the plan
    about the spec
     >      >         saying jakarta.*
     >      >          >      >     should be
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         excluded from the
    applications
     >      >         (which means it
     >      >          >     cant be
     >      >          >      >     used
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         by TCK)?
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         I disagree with what
    you said
     >      >         jakarta.* can't
     >      >          >     be used
     >      >          >      >     by TCK
     >      >          >      >      >>>>          because TCKs are part of
     >     specs and
     >      >         do not fall
     >      >          >     into the
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         application category.
     >     Besides, can
     >      >         you point
     >      >          >     out which
     >      >          >      >     spec
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         has this sentence? We
    need to
     >      >         discuss this
     >      >          >     further to see
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         whether it is correct
    to say
     >     so if
     >      >         it does have
     >      >          >     this
     >      >          >      >     sentence.
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Ok so the consequence
    of you
     >      >         statement is that
     >      >          >     there is no
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         application code in
    TCK, no CDI
     >      >         bean, no EJB, no
     >      >          >      >     servlet, no
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         JSP etc... (which is
    not true
     >      >         right?) so TCK
     >      >          >     are mainly a)
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         application code and
    b) test code
     >      >         (sometimes c)
     >      >          >     runner
     >      >          >      >     code
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         but let's integrate it
    in b)).
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         If you want one
    example, servlet
     >      >         10.7.2 (for
     >      >          >     v4.0 to take
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         one example) explicit
    it and for
     >      >         good technical
     >      >          >     reasons so
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         it is a "must stay" but it
     >     implies TCK
     >      >          >     shouldn't reuse the
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         same package by design
    and as it
     >      >         always had
     >      >          >     been so it let
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         you org.eclipse for
    projects
     >     without an
     >      >          >     historical package
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         (guess it is more than
    fine
     >     to keep the
     >      >          >     existing one
     >      >          >      >     when it
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         is there).
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         2. What about user
    confusion?
     >     "not
     >      >         care" :(?
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Not sure what user
    confusion
     >     do you
     >      >         mean? TCKs
     >      >          >     are pretty
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         much for implementers.
     >     Besides, I am
     >      >         not sure what
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         confusions you are
    referring
     >     to. I
     >      >         think the
     >      >          >     namespace
     >      >          >      >     with
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         jakarta.tck is clearer
    as it
     >     means
     >      >         the tck classes
     >      >          >      >     from Jakarta.
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         As soon as you get the
     >     dependency in
     >      >         a dependency -
     >      >          >      >     you are
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         an user by definition
    - then
     >     you can
     >      >         get issues
     >      >          >     if you use
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         jakarta.
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         It is also the case
    for end
     >     user -
     >      >         who never
     >      >          >     use tck
     >      >          >      >     package
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         - on maven if they are
    released
     >      >         under jakarta
     >      >          >     groupId
     >      >          >      >     so as
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         recommended in java
    ecosystem the
     >      >         groupId should be
     >      >          >      >     aligned
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         on the package base
    name so
     >     likely use
> > > > >>>> org.eclipse.jakarta.spec or
     >     alike.
     >      >         The risk is
     >      >          >     users start
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         importing tck instead
    of the
     >     spec and
     >      >          >     application will
     >      >          >      >     work
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         cause the spec comes
    transitively
     >      >         but it is not
     >      >          >     what
     >      >          >      >     jakarta
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         wants, right? Making
    it clean is
     >      >         trivial and
     >      >          >      >     consistent with
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         everything so I think
    it is worth
     >      >         not trying to
     >      >          >     be more
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         clever than we need to.
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         HTH
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at
    3:02 PM
     >      >         Romain Manni-Bucau
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
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     >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         @Emily: i know TCK are
    part
     >     of the
     >      >         spec as well
     >      >          >     as the
     >      >          >      >     API,
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         javadoc and textual doc
     >     (pdf/word)
     >      >         but you didn't
     >      >          >      >     solve the
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         2 issues I mentionned
    (not even
     >      >         speaking of the
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         inconsistency between the
     >     status and
     >      >         naming
     >      >          >     which is
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         something very few
    will care
     >     except
     >      >         eclipse itself
     >      >          >      >     maybe) so
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         not sure how the fact
    it is
     >      >         delivered as a whole
     >      >          >      >     solves the
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         fact it is forbidden
    by spec
     >     to use
     >      >         this package.
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Romain Manni-Bucau
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         @rmannibucau |  Blog |
    Old Blog |
     >      >         Github |
     >      >          >     LinkedIn | Book
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à
    15:26,
     >     Emily
     >      >         Jiang
> > > > >>>> <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
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     >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
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    <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
     >      >          >      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> a écrit :
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Romain,
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         TCKs are part of spec, as
     >     spec includes
     >      >          >     api/spec doc /tck.
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Thanks
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Emily
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at
    1:48 PM
     >      >         Romain Manni-Bucau
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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     >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
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     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
     >      >          >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         @Emily: what's the
    plan about the
     >      >         spec saying
     >      >          >     jakarta.*
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         should be excluded
    from the
     >      >         applications (which
     >      >          >     means it
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         cant be used by TCK)? What
     >     about user
     >      >          >     confusion? "not
     >      >          >      >     care" :(?
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Romain Manni-Bucau
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         @rmannibucau |  Blog |
    Old Blog |
     >      >         Github |
     >      >          >     LinkedIn | Book
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à
    14:31,
     >     Emily
     >      >         Jiang via
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         jakartaee-platform-dev
     >      >          >      >     <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > > <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >           <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > > <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> a écrit :
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         We discussed the
    various package
     >      >         names including
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         org.eclipse.*. The
    feedback
     >     is that
     >      >         TCKs should
     >      >          >     align with
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         the corresponding
    spec. It is
     >     much
     >      >         nicer to
     >      >          >     start with
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         jakarta.tck to denote
    the TCK
     >      >         classes and also
     >      >          >     easily to
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         filter out with
    pattern matching
     >      >         when searching
     >      >          >     for api
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         classes. Besides it is
    much
     >     shorter than
     >      >          >      >     org.eclipse.jakarta.
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         In Jakarta Batch Tcks, you
     >     will use
     >      >          >     jakarta.tck.batch
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         instead of
     >      >         org.eclipse.jakarta.tck.batch.
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Thanks
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Emily
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at
    8:05 AM
     >      >         Romain Manni-Bucau
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
     >      >          >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         As written on jbatch
    list I
     >     think it
     >      >         is normal
     >      >          >     and safe to
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         use
    org.eclipse.<something like
     >      >         jakarta.spec or
     >      >          >     just spec>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         since jakarta specs
    are eclipse
     >      >         projects. It
     >      >          >     also has the
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         advantage to not use
    jakarta.*
     >      >         package which is
     >      >          >     treated
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         specifically by all
     >     implementations
     >      >         (by spec
     >      >          >     actually ;))
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         and would need some
    specific
     >     rules
     >      >         in the impl
     >      >          >     is used for
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         tcks too which is not the
     >     target of
     >      >         the spec at
     >      >          >     all.
     >      >          >      >     Lastly
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         it makes it obvious it
    is not
     >     part
     >      >         of the API
     >      >          >     for users so
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         it is very good too.
    For me, it
     >      >         looks like a
     >      >          >      >     consistent and
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         good compromise for
    everyone
     >      >         (foundation, users,
     >      >          >      >     vendors and
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         spec contributors/legal).
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Romain Manni-Bucau
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         @rmannibucau |  Blog |
    Old Blog |
     >      >         Github |
     >      >          >     LinkedIn | Book
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à
    08:23,
     >      >         Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > > > >>>> <jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
     >      >          >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
     >      >         <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
     >      >          >      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >          >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >       <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >          >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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     >      >         <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
     >      >          >      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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    <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> a écrit :
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Sounds like a good
     >     improvement to me
     >      >         as well
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mar. 4 janv. 2022 à
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     >     David
     >      >         Blevins
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     >      >          >      >      >>>>         écrit :
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>         On Jan 4, 2022, at
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     >     Emily
     >      >         Jiang via
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    <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>         I had this matter
    discussed
     >     in today's
     >      >          >     platform call.
     >      >          >      >     Below
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>         is the suggestion for
    the naming
     >      >         convention:
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>               • [Emily]
    Package naming
     >      >         convention for
     >      >          >     TCKs?
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>                       •
    Packages for TCK
     >      >         starts with
     >      >          >     various
     >      >          >      >     names,
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>         e.g. org.ibm, org.jboss,
     >     org.eclipse,
     >      >          >      >     jakarta.[spec].tck etc,
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>                       •
    Should they be
     >      >         standardized?
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>               • Two things
    need naming
     >      >         standard:
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>                       • Packages
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>                               •
     >     Suggested
     >      >         Naming Standard:
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>         jakarta.tck.[spec]
> > > > >>>>> • New
     >     classes in
     >      >          >     existing TCKs
     >      >          >      >     should
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>         use the new name standard
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>                       • Artifacts
> > > > >>>>> • Same
     >     group
     >      >         id as the spec
> > > > >>>>> • Artifact
     >      >         ids [foo]-tck
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>               • Existing TCKs may
     >     change if
     >      >         they like
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>         New TCKs must use the new
     >     name standard
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>         The above is the general
     >     consensus
     >      >         from the
     >      >          >     meeting.
     >      >          >      >     I will
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>         start a new thread
     >     conversation for
     >      >         others to
     >      >          >     comment on
     >      >          >      >      >>>>>         the naming convention.
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Others can chime in, but I
     >     like the
     >      >         above
     >      >          >     recommendation.
     >      >          >      >      >>>>          Using
    jakarta.tck.[spec] is
     >     just as
     >      >         good as
> > > > >>>> org.eclipse.jakarta.tck.[spec],
     >      >         perhaps better.
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         Also agree that it
    should be
     >      >         standard across the
     >      >          >      >     various TCKs.
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
     >      >          >      >      >>>>         -David
     >      >          >      >      >>>>
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