[jakarta.ee-spec.committee] FW: AgendaforSpecificationCommitteecall Febr

[Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxx>]

It’s sad, that what Oracle had long been criticised for, the proprietary and intransparent way the TCK was developed is now happening with Jakarta EE again. And be it just some of those who were most critical of slow or impossible TCK Access now in Oracle’s shoes failing to make it available just due to lack of time and resources.

 

Jakarta EE is not slow as many often try to picture it, but some involved wearing too many “hats” and taking too many responsibilities they cannot fulfil or being The Servant of Two Masters (Eclipse and Apache) or even more which stifles the progress, not the progress itself being bad or inflexible.

 

We also heard about the JNoSQL issues for a similar cause. It’s certainly not a problem of my Google account or that by others, Wayne/EMO was also able to set it up for different documents.

 

Werner

 

From: Werner Keil
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 00:42
To: David Blevins
Cc: Tanja Obradovic; Wayne Beaton
Subject: RE: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] AgendaforSpecificationCommitteecall February 13th, 2019

 

Btw, isn’t it a slight bottleneck and risk to have individual members own such documents?

 

Once e.g. the TCK evolves, I trust that’ll change.

 

Werner

 

From: Werner Keil
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 00:27
To: David Blevins
Cc: Tanja Obradovic; Wayne Beaton
Subject: RE: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] Agenda forSpecificationCommitteecall February 13th, 2019

 

David,

 

Could you please look into that.

 

Thanks,

Werner

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Wayne Beaton
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 00:21
To: Werner Keil
Cc: Tanja Obradovic
Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] Agenda for SpecificationCommitteecall February 13th, 2019

 

We don't own that document. Ask David.

 

Wayne

 

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019, 13:09 Werner Keil, <werner.keil@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi,

 

As mentioned, if Eclipse Foundation (Wayne) is the owner of the TCK document, I still get a “No permission error” on https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eg7nqACM59Ptn6ph20WVifvjkadsI-yfpe5TPUlscx8/edit#.

 

The Agenda document is fine. It might be because my Eclipse or JCP/Oracle identity started with this GMX address and Google wants the Gmail address (werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx) as the primary identity. I even added the GMX one as alternate address to my Google account but seems that does not help or I was missed with the TCK document?

 

It would be nice to get a look at it before the subject is picked up again in the next calls.

 

Thanks,

Werner

 

From: Wayne Beaton
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 14:27
To: Jakarta specification committee
Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] Agenda for Specification Committeecall February 13th, 2019

 

I sent out a note discussing a draft of the EFSP 1.1 last night. I will plan to discuss this on our February 13th call, but do not expect that everybody will have spent any significant time with the document beforehand. For now, let's plan to use the mailing list for feedback.

 

Wayne

 

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 12:12 AM Tanja Obradovic <tanja.obradovic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi All,

I propose again, to divide our time for the call between JESP and TCK.

Having that in mind our agenda today is

·        Approval of Meeting min Feb 6th

·        Jakarta EE Spec process

·        TCK process

·        if any time left revisit other items

Our detailed agenda and notes are here.

Thanks,

Tanja

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Tanja Obradovic

Jakarta EE Program Manager | Eclipse Foundation, Inc.

Twitter: @TanjaEclipse

Eclipse Foundation: The Platform for Open Innovation and Collaboration

 

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