Re: [ide-dev] News about Android Studio

[Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx>]

On 2015-12-02, 3:04 AM, "ide-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Lars
Vogel" <ide-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

>On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> This is probably a discussion for the Andmore list, but I wonder whether
>> we need to use Buildship for Android, or whether Andmore can generate
>> whatever build files it needs to and call gradle directly. Something to
>> think about. It sounds easier at least.
>
>If we want good Gradle support for Eclipse Android development IMHO
>the correct approach is to use Buildship. Buildship already has great
>and deep Gradle integration and delegates everything to the "normal"
>Gradle tooling. I think the only thing that is missing is an Buildship
>API which allows other like Andmore to configure the classpath.
>
>Best regards, Lars

I haven¹t really looked at Buildship other than the EclipseCon
presentations so I¹ll have to assume you¹re right. But to get started and
remove this dependency as an issue until it¹s ready, we may have to come
up with alternatives to make sure we have something by Neon.

>
>
>> On 2015-12-01, 11:38 AM, "ide-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Lars
>> Vogel" <ide-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Mickael,
>>>
>>>I use Android Studio on a regular basis and it seems to me that they
>>>moving more and more functionality to Gradle. AFAIK the target is
>>>still to stay as much independent as possible from the IDE and
>>>delegate as much as possible to the build system.
>>>
>>>Once the Gradle tooling has been extended to support Android, we
>>>(Eclipse) should be a good alternative again for Android development.
>>>Android Studio feel to us and our customers relatively buggy and slow.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately the Eclipse Gradle project seems currently slow
>>>(https://github.com/eclipse/buildship/commits/master), not sure if
>>>they planning to work on Android support in the near future.
>>>
>>>Best regards, Lars
>>>
>>>On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Mickael Istria <mistria@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>wrote:
>>>> Android Studio recently released a new version. This good video covers
>>>>some
>>>> nice features https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2GC6P5hPeA#t=770 .
>>>>Nothing
>>>> very new, no big uber-powerful feature changing the game. This video
>>>>is
>>>>also
>>>> a good opportunity to see the completion, quick-fixes and templates of
>>>>IDEA
>>>> in action. The features I find the most interesting are all already
>>>>logged
>>>> in Bugzilla and were already discussed there, so I won't get into
>>>>details.
>>>> There performance tools seem very good. It's IMO something we're
>>>>missing in
>>>> Eclipse IDE since TPTP was abandonned. As far as I remember, none of
>>>>the
>>>> main Eclipse IDE packages provide a way to profile or monitor
>>>>applications
>>>> under development easily. That's a major missing feature compared to
>>>>Android
>>>> Studio. However, it simply seems like it's not one our community
>>>>wishes
>>>>to
>>>> invest into, probably because it's still not a top-priority in most
>>>> end-users projects.
>>>> However, my lack of general experience with Gradle nor C++ make me
>>>>unable to
>>>> evaluate what's good/bad in Android Studio compared to Eclipse
>>>>BuildShip or
>>>> CDT.
>>>>
>>>> For Android, it's interesting how they answer to the 1st question, ie
>>>>most
>>>> of the tools about Android development will move only to the IDE. It
>>>>seems
>>>> to mean that the SDK and IDE are going to be merged at some point, and
>>>>that
>>>> the IDE will be the single entry-point for development. That means
>>>>that
>>>>it's
>>>> a lot of thing to duplicate in Eclipse IDE if most other tools are
>>>>going to
>>>> be dropped.
>>>> Another interesting one is about sharing project settings, for the
>>>>project
>>>> specific configuration such as the "structural replace". It's actually
>>>>an
>>>> important question when you add into the IDE some checks that are not
>>>> possible to "externalize" in the build or in independent tools. They
>>>>do
>>>> encourage to share the project specific files, like we usually do for
>>>> Eclipse IDE:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.slideshare.net/AurelienPupier/committing-ide-meta-files-misc
>>>>on
>>>>ceptions-misunderstandings-and-solutions
>>>> --
>>>> Mickael Istria
>>>> Eclipse developer at JBoss, by Red Hat
>>>> My blog - My Tweets
>>>>
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