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Re: [glassfish-dev] Future of Admin Console for GF 5 and GF6
The admin console remains a key piece of GlassFish, I don't think this is something that can be removed.

Both Woodstock and JSFTemplating are in life-support mode, they only exist because of GlassFish and are not updated regularly.
A complete re-write of the admin console requires a lot of work, so fixing Woodstock for the time being seems to be the best option.

Both projects have been mavenized and can updated easily compared to how they were when donated to eclipse.

Some of the issues related to dojo have been addressed in the master branch of Woodstock (5.0-SNAPSHOT), not sure if there is a released version of that available yet ; IIRC Arjan was trying to make a release some time ago.

See the following issues:
- https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/glassfish-woodstock/issues/1399
- https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/glassfish-woodstock/issues/1398

If there is going to more releases of 5.x, we can decide to make a branch of Woodstock that is compatible (i.e without all the jakarta namespace changes).

On 5/26/20 1:09 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu wrote:
Yes yes, JSF. I have already cloned the local JSFTemplate and WoodStock projects. There also exists a bug in one of the webui-jsf-suntheme-4.0.2.16 _javascript_ file (common.js in webui-jsf-suntheme-4.0.2.16.jar) for 5.1.x branch.
My question is still valid, do we want to include this old style fashioned console into new 6.x releases? For me, this UI technology is very old and may not be compatible with the incoming updated browsers. And also, what is the current state of JSFTemplating and Woodstock projects? Are they updated regularly?
Regards.
Gurkan


On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 10:49 PM arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 9:21 PM Gurkan Erdogdu <cgurkanerdogdu@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
FYI,
I have been playing with the admin GUI code for the past few days, and frankly the existing code is written in a truly old style JSP/JSF code (For me it is not nicely written :()

It's not JSP, it's another templating engine called JSFTemplate. JSFTemplate is an alternative to both JSP and Facelets. It's not based on either, and is a complete independent so-called VDL (View Definition Language). It's not only old, but also very much unused outside of GlassFish. In the admin console JSFTemplate is combined with the Woodstock component library. Woodstock was more or less intended for internal applications at Sun, and AFAIK saw little to no adoption outside Sun either.

Kind regards,
Arjan

 

 

Kind regards,

Arjan Tijms

 

 

 

 

 

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 10:44 AM Gurkan Erdogdu <cgurkanerdogdu@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As I understand (although I disagree with this), Eclipse Glassfish project is no longer considered as usable in production environments.  One of the reason is that not releasing frequently and updating the codebase regularly.  Frankly, I have not fully understood the meaning of the Eclipse Glassfish project.

Are we trying to have implement only useless RI? Should we see the Eclipse Glassfish as a school project? It seems strange to put a Admin Console UI that doesn't work correctly into the release.

I am more than happy to spare more time if I truly understand the project aim.

Regards.

Gurkan

 

 

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 11:18 AM arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi,

 

I hear you, though the admin console itself it's not useless, just largely antiquated. And yes, not including it has been considered.

 

But even if excluding it for just this release, who has the resources available to create a new admin console? Without any plan it would be gone from GF indefinitely I'm afraid.

 

Kind regards,

Arjan Tijms

 

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 10:03 AM Gurkan Erdogdu <cgurkanerdogdu@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Its weird to include useless admin console into release. If it is useless, why we include it into the release?

Regards.

Gurkan

 

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 1:33 AM arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Gurkan,

 

You're right, the admin console is not even antiquated in the output it generates, but even more in the source beneath it. With every release with have to drag the pre-historic JSFTemplate, Woodstock, and their dependencies along kicking and screaming.

 

I would not be surprised if GlassFish is currently the only application using JSFTemplate/Woodstock.

 

Rewriting the admin console using current day Faces could be done, but it's not a trivial task I'm afraid in terms of time. Having this taken care of for the GF 6 final release is basically undoable with the resource we have available.

 

Kind regards,

Arjan Tijms

 

 

 

 

 

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 11:04 PM Gurkan Erdogdu <cgurkanerdogdu@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi folks

I am currently looking over admin part (admin GUI) of the Glassfish and looks like that lots of error/bugs exist in the current code base. Latest browsers such as Firefox complaints about lots of _javascript_ errors and some pages are not displayed/run correctly.

 

Is anybody experience with the same? I think that the current code has not been updated regarding the latest browser compatibility etc.

 

I wonder that before releasing the GF 6 Final, do we need to have fully usable admin console?

 

Regards.

Gurkan

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