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Re: [ee4j-community] Help Pick the New Name for Java EE
Steven,

From my understanding, the problem here is that we're not branding the EE4J umbrella project, but only one of the components of the new Eclipse lead Java EE.

This brand name seems to be only for the set of specs that will be created for EE4J. The new JSR equivalents, if you will.

We need to remember that this new venture will have, at least, three components:
1. The specifications (the new set of simil-JSRs), which mirror what is currently known as Java EE
2. The compatibility kits, which mirror what is currently known as the TCKs
3. The APIs that the implementations will have to, well, implement.

Currently, under Oracle's Jave EE, TCKs, APIs and RIs seem to be all packaged into single projects for each spec; while we seem to be heading to a structure where they will be all handled separately.

With EE4J being the name for the umbrella project that contains ALL of the components, calling one of them by the same name would only invite confusion to the issue; and that's something (I hope) we all want to start unraveling, since it is one of the problems we currently have with Java EE (where people don't seem to be able to disconnect the specs from the APIs or the implementations).

This is also one of the reasons I dislike any name that relates this brand to OpenJDK, since that's the name of an implementation, not the specs.

Mariano Amar

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On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Guillermo González de Agüero <z06.guillermo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks a lot Mike. So a name like e.g. OpenJEE would (presumably) only be acceptable if that J doesn't mean Java.


Regards,

Guillermo González de Agüero


El mar., 21 nov. 2017 21:41, Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich@eclipse-foundation.org> escribió:
On 2017-11-21 2:37 PM, Guillermo González de Agüero wrote:
> +1. The list is full of names starting with Java which are already
> out. But there are also names that *contain* the Java word, which use
> is a bit unclear.
>
> Some hint on that would be useful.

Here is the basic rule as it has been explained to me. As a reminder, I
am not a lawyer.

You can use "Java" only in a context that would be considered fair use
under trademark law. Generally speaking the safest way to do that is to
follow the "...for Java" pattern that you see in the EE4J name ("Eclipse
Enterprise for Java").

So any name that starts with Java is a no-go.
Any name that embeds Java within it is a no-go.
A name that ends in Java is almost certainly a no-go unless it follows
that "...for Java" pattern.

I think it is generally accepted that you can use the letter "J", as
long as you don't imply that it stands for Java (e.g. IntelliJ, jClarity).

There is no rule that says if the name includes "...for Java" that you
have to use "4J" in the acronym. So if we had wanted to we have have
used EEJ instead of EE4J when we named the top-level project.

HTH

--
Mike Milinkovich
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