[eclipse.org-eclipsecon-program-committee] Re: Tutorials with part 1, pa

[Ed Merks <merks@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Rich,

I agree that we need this type of tutorial that provides a coherent
end-to-end story in the complex maze of technology that is modeling.
You've already made it clear to the presenters that they must provide
abstracts that describe specifically which topics are being covered so that
folks can jump in at the level at which they feel comfortable and can
decide on which particular topics are of interest.   These guys are great
presenters (except for the clown from Borland) so I think this will be very
valuable to the community.  I agree with Bjorn that the current form looks
poor so we need these guys to address your comment sooner rather than
later.  I'll badger them when they are on skype...


Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
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                                       Re: Tutorials with part 1, part 2
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The modeling ones are going to be broken up, as per my comment on #47; that
is, they will each have their own descriptive title and abstract to
indicate the topics covered.  The main submitter just hasn?t done this yet.

Perhaps modeling is unique in its need for these types of tutorials, as
covering abstract syntax, concrete syntax, model transformation, and code
generation is a bit much to cover in a single 2 hour tutorial, but which is
important to cover in the context of a single domain.

My thoughts,
Rich


On 12/7/07 1:02 PM, "Bjorn Freeman-Benson"
<bjorn.freeman-benson@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

      We have two hour tutorials this year because the attendees asked us
      to have shorter tutorials. Thus having a six hour tutorial (e.g.
      https://eclipsecon.greenmeetingsystems.com/submissions/view/47,
      https://eclipsecon.greenmeetingsystems.com/submissions/view/48,
      https://eclipsecon.greenmeetingsystems.com/submissions/view/49) is
      really not the right thing to do.

      I understand that there is a lot of content to cover, but it should
      be broken into three separate tutorials: not just three with the same
      name and abstract. And the three should be independent - in the sense
      that one would be for beginners, one for intermediate, and one ofor
      advanced (for example).

      I really think is is a mistake.

      I also think all the "part 1/part 2" tutorials are a mistake - the
      presenters are going to be unhappy and the attendees are going to be
      unhappy when people wander out of part 1 and in to part 2 without
      attending the other part. The conference is not structured to
      guarantee or even require attendance at both parts. That means that
      the presenters are going to need to write separate tutorials anyway,
      so the titles should be separate as well.

      My opinion,
      Bjorn


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