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Re: FW: [wtp-pmc] JavaScript Development Tooling sub-component

Thanks Bjorn ... I think your right about the wording and scopes ... so, I'll explain a bit more, and acknowledge that we (WTP PMC) may need to discuss more, to be sure we have all been discussing the same thing. What I have thought we (WTP PMC) have been discussing with the ATF project was them contributing their _javascript_ work to the _javascript_ component of WST. Turns out this is no simple "addition", but a huge effort that deserved "new contribution" effort of having their own team lead, committers, etc. And ... I thought we (WTP PMC ) had been in agreement that this was simply "business as usual" for WST, since _javascript_ is within our scope.

Bjorn, does this adequately account for your concerns? Or are you saying that even as a component under WTP it should have a creation review?

If this does account for your concerns, then I think we in the WTP PMC and ATF project just have to make sure we are all in agreement that this is what we have been discussing, get straight on terminology (e.g. change 'project' to 'component', or ... "effort" :)   and get clear on how best to position and promote this WST component level work.

Thanks again,

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Re: FW: [wtp-pmc] _javascript_ Development Tooling sub-component

You have all the steps correct HOWEVER the statement "a description of the project" worries me because components are not projects. Components do not release independently. Components have a lead, but they are not managed independently. And wiki page about this ( reads like this is a full blown Project. The plan for the component does not discuss its integration with the ATF project at all. Etc.

Additionally, does this component fit inside the scope defined for ATF? The scope for ATF says: "The AJAX Toolkit Framework (ATF) provides and extensible framework and exemplary tools for building IDEs for the many different AJAX runtime offerings (Dojo, Zimbra, Rico, etc) in the market. Tools built upon these frameworks will initially include: enhanced _javascript_ editing features such as edit-time syntax checking; an embedded Mozilla web browser; an embedded DOM browser; and an embedded _javascript_ debugger." 

The scope for this new component says "The _javascript_ Development Tools's goal will be to develop a framework for development of _javascript_ applications, with full support for editing, refactoring, and searching. The _javascript_ editor would be designed such that is can be plugged in to the Web Tools. The _javascript_ Development Tools would be also be extensible such that new language features can easily be added."

This appears to be an extension to the original scope. If so, it needs to be announced to the entire membership in a public way (i.e., a Review).

P.S. Additionally, the ATF web pages do not include the Board-required statement that this is an Incubation project.

Tim Wagner wrote:

Please see the new component creation request from Craig below. Apart from CVS setup and our own WTP-level administrative issues, what else do we need to do to make this official?
Bjorn Freeman-Benson
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