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Re: [wtp-pmc] RE: WTP Article for July JDJ

Excuse my bad typing. That last sentence should read:

JSF will NOW be in the J2EE subset.

Arthur Ryman,
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Arthur Ryman/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
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07/12/2005 03:54 PM

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Mike,

I agree. But if you look at the two diagrams, you'll see they are a little different. The charter diagram just shows 4 quadrants, but the article shows the explicit scope of JST and WST within the quadrants.

The scope JST is the J2EE subset of the JCP quadrant.

JDO is in the JCP quadrant but outside the J2EE subset, so is not in scope for JST.  The PMC agrees that JDO is more aligned with the Data Tools project.

The PMC is going to propose some clearer wording and a better, updated diagram. JSF will not be in the J2EE subset.

Arthur Ryman,
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07/12/2005 02:53 PM

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Arthur,

 

My recollection is somewhat different.

 

First, as I recall, the test of whether a technology is in JST's scope is not whether it is a JSR. It is whether it is a defined piece of J2EE. That's what the top-right quadrant meant in my memory. The whole right side meant Java, with J2EE at the top, non-J2EE JCP technologies hovering around the middle and less standard technologies as you moved further down the axis.

 

Second, I recall discussing JDO explicitly on the creation review call, and it was used as an example of a "near-J2EE" technology that is out of scope initially.

 

Now this has changed with the various JCP machinations around JSR220 and JSR243, but I don't think that the charter document is actually wrong.

 

Does this make sense?

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Mike,

Good catch. I think the charter is actually wrong since that horizontal line was supposed to separate the JCP from the defacto standards, and JDO is clearly a JSR (actually two - JSR-12 and JSR-243).

Would you like us to update the charter to correct that error and include J2EE 5.0? What's the EMO process for that?

In any case, the diagram in the article is accurate because it shows JDO in the JCP quadrant but outside the scope of JST.

Arthur Ryman,
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"Mike Milinkovich" <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>

07/11/2005 09:58 AM

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Arthur,

One thing that jumped out at me is that the project charter (http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/project-charter.html) shows JDO "below the line", while the diagram on the last page of the article shows it "above the line". This is a potential source of confusion.

Mike Milinkovich
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From: Arthur Ryman [mailto:ryman@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: July 9, 2005 6:43 PM
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Just a heads up, the attached article is scheduled to appear in the July issue of JDJ. The copy will be corrected to have the new WTP version numbers.

Arthur Ryman,
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