We have some project-wide categories: docs,
releng, website. Are there project-wide issues that don’t fit into these?
If so, is there another name that would cover them?
For component unknown issues
Product: Web Tools
Component: Unknown
seems better to me than
Product: Web Tools
Component: Web Tools
-Ted
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Ted,
What
about problems that are actually for the entire subproject?
However,
we could add a "Web Tools" component for project-wide or unknown
problems.
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How about getting rid of components “J2EE
Standard Tools” and “Web Standard Tools” and simply having a
component named “Unknown”.
If someone doesn’t have enough WTP knowledge to make a
good initial assignment, Unknown feels right, and is a single distribution
queue for us to monitor. (If this is done, I don’t know that making
the other names “novice friendly” is high priority.)
-Ted
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Tim,
Good point. Maybe one difference is that components normally have backups, but
WST doesn't and I wonder if JST does. Lawrence
volunteered to be the backup. I accept for WST.
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Ditto to John's comments. Thanks to him, a large number of 0.7 defects have
finally made it to the server tools queue. (and although I didn't really need
extra defects, that is a "thanks" in the positive sense) Many were
fixed in 0.7, 1.0, 1.0.1, or 1.0.2 anyway, but several fixes were delayed until
more people reported the problem or are still valid today. Defects not getting
to the right component for a year and shipping releases without triaging all
our defects is a serious problem. If we can't keep up with the project inboxes
then we should either assign new resource or simply get rid of them.
Thanks,
Tim deBoer
WebSphere Tools - IBM Canada Ltd.
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Arthur,
This is not the first time this has happened or the first time we have
suggested removal of these ambiguous queues. Make no mistake, it is a
HUGE deal when ~80 bugs go unnoticed until when we are in release candidate
mode. We were specifically told not to monitor this Web Standard Tools
queue because we were assured the defects would be triaged accordingly. So,
here we are...again.
Proposal: We use wst.web instead, and drop Web Standard Tools so this can
be proactively avoided.
Reality: This will never be an issue again because now I know it is
incumbent upon me to include this queue in my queries and I and other diligent
committers will keep it up to date.
John Lanuti
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Chuck,
The subproject leads own those components. I own the WST one. I thought I was
keeping up, but was shocked to see so many untriaged. I don't know how they
slipped by.
Many users don't know which component to assign a defect to so they just use
the subproject. Also, there are some cases where a bug affects an entire
subproject, or even the entire project.
I suggest we keep these, but watch eachother's backs. We should routinely do a
query on the inboxes and route them to the right components.
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No that should be removed too.... I would rather have the
originator guess wrong, and see it moved to the right component, then have it
sit there unseen.
- Chuck
Rational J2EE Tooling Team Lead
IBM Software Lab - Research Triangle
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If we choose to remove this component is there any value to keeping the
"J2EE Standard Tools" component?
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It was brought to our attention this week that we have many untriaged defects
sitting in various "inbox's"
A Majority of these were in the "Web Standard Tools" component where
there is no clear owner, and it was brought up in the past this component
should be removed from bugzilla.
Unless we have active triaging on this component, I vote to remove this
component ASAP, to avoid this situation in the future. Many of these
defects should have been openned in components that I own, and
we had no idea they existed.
I want to thank John Lanuti for triaging many many defects in this component
today, but we strongly vote to terminate this abandoned component.
Thanks - Chuck
Rational J2EE Tooling Team Lead
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