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Re: [ui-best-practices-working-group] EclipseCon panel
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I missed the last panel, but these could be good seed topics for
discussion for the panel:
o http://www.asktog.com/basics/firstPrinciples.html
o http://www.useit.com/papers/heuristic/heuristic_list.html
Especially since many of these principles can contradict each other.
Also, controversy can make a panel less boring, but instead of users
walking out with the results of an 'argument on stage' it will be really
nice if there are some helpful take-aways, some thoughts:
o 1-2 users giving their experiences as to what happened with bad UI design.
o When to put items in a default perspective or context menu versus
waiting for triggering via something like action sets.
o When to use a view versus an editor.
Vineet
Bob Fraser wrote:
I would be most happy to lead the panel. I will get the proposal started.
On 11/13/07 8:27 AM, "Mik Kersten" <beatmik@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Given recent dialog, I'm pretty sure that we have learned how to be
controversial :) All we need is someone to argue that UI Best Practices
should be policed and that violators have their mouse hand chopped off.
Kidding aside, I think this means that we would need to invite someone with
a good incentive for the project UIs to have their consistency and quality
enforced. I nominate Mike M. and or Bjorn. I may even be willing to take
their side of the argument now and then ;)
It sounds like we could have a good topic for a panel, because there is
enough controversy, and there is good reason to raise awareness of the
guidelines for attendees, who may not be aware of this very valuable
resource and efforts around it. How about this for a panel structure?
* Platform UI representative(s): Kevin, others (?)
* IBM and visual design representative: Kimberley (?)
* Developer trying to follow in their footsteps and encountering problems
along the way: Mik
* Manager being unreasonable in expecting UI consistency from projects: Mike
and/or Bjorn (?)
* Vendor trying to figure out whether they should care about any of this:
(?)
* others?
Bob: are you interested in leading the panel again?
Mik
-----Original Message-----
From: ui-best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ui-
best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gaff,
Doug
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:06 AM
To: User Interface Architecture Working Group
Subject: RE: [ui-best-practices-working-group] EclipseCon panel
Speaking as the Program Chair, I suggest that you make this somewhat
controversial to keep it interesting. Several of the panels last year
were boring because everyone was saying the same thing. (I missed your
panel, so I'm not specifically talking about yours.)
UI's are controversial by definition because users have different
definitions of usability based on their domain expertise. We get a lot
of customer feedback on Eclipse along the lines of "it's too big and
too
complicated for what I need to do." It would be great to incorporate
that in a UI panel.
Doug Gaff
-----Original Message-----
From: ui-best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ui-
best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin
McGuire
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:15 AM
To: User Interface Architecture Working Group
Subject: Re: [ui-best-practices-working-group] EclipseCon panel
I was thinking about this too. It'd be cool to do it again, we had a
good turnout and it in general its probably good to take all
opportunities to get people thinking about UI stuff. It might be
good
though to have a few less people.
The big question to me though is, to what aim? What will be the
purpose? It may be better if we had a stronger theme, or even set up
some more contentious points to have a good panel discussion of
opposing
views.
So before I say yes I'd like us to get an idea of the theme.
Kevin
Mik Kersten wrote:
Is there interest in doing a panel like last year's?
+1 from me.
Mik
--
Mik Kersten
Project Lead, http://eclipse.org/mylyn
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