Re: [ui-best-practices-working-group] EclipseCon panel

[Bob Fraser <bfraser@xxxxxxx>]

I would be most happy to lead the panel.  I will get the proposal started.


On 11/13/07 8:27 AM, "Mik Kersten" <beatmik@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> Given recent dialog, I'm pretty sure that we have learned how to be
> controversial :)  All we need is someone to argue that UI Best Practices
> should be policed and that violators have their mouse hand chopped off.
> 
> Kidding aside, I think this means that we would need to invite someone with
> a good incentive for the project UIs to have their consistency and quality
> enforced.  I nominate Mike M. and or Bjorn.  I may even be willing to take
> their side of the argument now and then ;)
> 
> It sounds like we could have a good topic for a panel, because there is
> enough controversy, and there is good reason to raise awareness of the
> guidelines for attendees, who may not be aware of this very valuable
> resource and efforts around it.  How about this for a panel structure?
> 
> * Platform UI representative(s): Kevin, others (?)
> * IBM and visual design representative: Kimberley (?)
> * Developer trying to follow in their footsteps and encountering problems
> along the way: Mik
> * Manager being unreasonable in expecting UI consistency from projects: Mike
> and/or Bjorn (?)
> * Vendor trying to figure out whether they should care about any of this:
> (?)
> * others?
> 
> Bob: are you interested in leading the panel again?
> 
> Mik
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ui-best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ui-
>> best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gaff,
>> Doug
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:06 AM
>> To: User Interface Architecture Working Group
>> Subject: RE: [ui-best-practices-working-group] EclipseCon panel
>> 
>> Speaking as the Program Chair, I suggest that you make this somewhat
>> controversial to keep it interesting.  Several of the panels last year
>> were boring because everyone was saying the same thing.  (I missed your
>> panel, so I'm not specifically talking about yours.)
>> 
>> UI's are controversial by definition because users have different
>> definitions of usability based on their domain expertise.  We get a lot
>> of customer feedback on Eclipse along the lines of "it's too big and
>> too
>> complicated for what I need to do."  It would be great to incorporate
>> that in a UI panel.
>> 
>> Doug Gaff
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ui-best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ui-
>>> best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin
>>> McGuire
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:15 AM
>>> To: User Interface Architecture Working Group
>>> Subject: Re: [ui-best-practices-working-group] EclipseCon panel
>>> 
>>> I was thinking about this too.  It'd be cool to do it again, we had a
>>> good turnout and it in general its probably good to take all
>>> opportunities to get people thinking about UI stuff.  It might be
>> good
>>> though to have a few less people.
>>> 
>>> The big question to me though is, to what aim?  What will be the
>>> purpose?  It may be better if we had a stronger theme, or even set up
>>> some more contentious points to have a good panel discussion of
>>> opposing
>>> views.
>>> 
>>> So before I say yes I'd like us to get an idea of the theme.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
>>> Mik Kersten wrote:
>>>> Is there interest in doing a panel like last year's?
>>>> 
>>>> +1 from me.
>>>> 
>>>> Mik
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Mik Kersten
>>>> Project Lead, http://eclipse.org/mylyn
>>>> 
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