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+1 to "declare dysfunctional" and have
the PMC set the current committer list as Nick suggests.
I think sufficient time has already passed -- from 6/12 -- well,
for the "DTP part". I think
it so unlikely there would be any objections from others on the
Tools PMC (inactive or not :)
that I think the "transfer" could go ahead and take place, in my
opinion.
FWIW, I will also say "thanks" to Brian, who must technically hold
the record for "longest running Project lead" (from when ...
2004?!).
Of course, with that, might also be the record for "longest run as
an inactive project lead"! :)
But seriously, the fact that there is still interest and good use
of DTP is something for you and other historical committers to be
proud of.
It is appreciated.
And thanks to Nick (and Jeff Maury) for keeping the project
building.
David
On 6/19/19 11:06, Doug Schaefer wrote:
Yeah, no idea where it is.
Wayne, if it's easier can we just do this on authority of
the Tools PMC?
+1 from me. Any objections
from the other PMC members (who are also mostly
inactive...)?
Doug.
From: Nick Boldt [nboldt@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:01 AM
To: Doug Schaefer
Cc: Wayne Beaton; Brian Payton; Tools PMC mailing
list; Jean-Francois Maury; DTP development mailing list
Subject: Re: RE: [tools-pmc] DTP committer election
failed: only 1 out of 3 committers voted.
Well, if you find the inactive committer panel
(maybe it's a link from [1]?), please update the project so
there are two active members remaining:
* Lead: Nick Boldt
* Committer: Jeff (Jean-Francois) Maury
There were only two others in there [1]: Brian Payton
(lead) and Yulin Wang
(committer).
Everyone else has
already been moved to 'historical committer' status,
according to the dashboard link [1] above.
Nick
Cool. Thanks Wayne,
So Nick and Brian, I think we can conduct an
orderly transfer of powers if so desired. I think
the first step should be to remove the other
inactive commiters so we can properly do elections.
That can be done by the current project lead or by
me, if I could ever remember where that remove
inactive committer panel moved to...
Doug.
From:
Wayne Beaton [wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:50 PM
To: Doug Schaefer
Cc: Nick Boldt; Brian Payton; Tools PMC
mailing list; Jean-Francois Maury; DTP
development mailing list
Subject: Re: RE: [tools-pmc] DTP
committer election failed: only 1 out of 3
committers voted.
Per the EDP:
The election process begins with an
existing Committer on the same Project
nominating the Contributor. The Project’s
Committers will vote for a period of no
less than one week. If there are at least
three (3) positive votes and no negative
votes within the voting period, the
Contributor is recommended to the
Project’s PMC for commit privileges.
If there are three (3) or fewer
Committers on the Project, a unanimous
positive vote of all Committers is
substituted.
If the PMC approves, and the
Contributor signs the appropriate
Committer legal agreements established by
the EMO (wherein, at the very least, the
Developer agrees to abide by the Eclipse
Intellectual Property Policy), the
Contributor becomes a Committer and is
given write access to the source code for
that Project.
The move to an Eclipse Tools subproject
did happen. Apparently, we didn't quite
update the project metadata completely. I've
fixed it.
Wayne
Thanks Wayne,
If Brian hands over leadership to
Nick and Nick removes all inactive
committers, including Brian, can we
then redo the election? It's just not
clear how elections works when there
are less than three active committers.
Also, was DTP ever moved under
tools officially? The PMI says it's
still a top level project.
Doug.
From:
Wayne Beaton [wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18,
2019 2:08 PM
To: Doug Schaefer
Cc: Nick Boldt; Brian
Payton; Tools PMC mailing list;
Jean-Francois Maury; DTP
development mailing list
Subject: Re: RE:
[tools-pmc] DTP committer
election failed: only 1 out of 3
committers voted.
I need the PMC to
document their decision on an
open forum, give sufficient time
for the community to respond,
and then ask the EMO to make the
changes.
I leave the definition of
"sufficient time" to the PMC's
discretion. IMHO, the
discussion in this forum
constitutes reasonable
documentation of the decision.
HTH,
Wayne
That would
be easiest. The Tools PMC
can reboot the project,
but I imagine there's more
paperwork for that. Though
Wayne would know for sure.
Doug.
From:
Nick Boldt [nboldt@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent:
Tuesday, June 18,
2019 1:39 PM
To: Brian
Payton
Cc: Doug
Schaefer; Tools
PMC mailing list;
Jean-Francois
Maury; DTP
development
mailing list
Subject:
Re: RE:
[tools-pmc] DTP
committer election
failed: only 1 out
of 3 committers
voted.
Brian,
If you're
happy to appoint
me as lead, so
that I can
delegate some
work to Jeff,
please make it
so.
Thanks,
Nick
If
I resubmit the
election, and
only get your
and my votes,
it'll still
fail as it
needs 3 votes
to pass.
But if
I'm project
lead, then I
can simply
delegate
someone as a
committer,
right?
Nick
Sorry,
just saw these
emails.
Nick,
if you want to
restart the
committer
election, I'll
watch for it
and vote.
And
if you would
like to take
over as DTP
project lead,
that would be
fine with me.
(I really
haven't
touched
anything
Eclipse-related
for years
now.)
Regards,
Brian
Brian Payton
Senior
Software
Developer
IBM Analytics
 Doug
Schaefer
---06/12/2019
01:14:41
PM---Thanks
Wayne, I know.
Just waiting
to see Brian's
response or a
timeout to get
triggered. ;)
Doug.
From: Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Tools PMC mailing list <tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Jean-Francois Maury <jmaury@xxxxxxxxxx>, Brian Payton <bpayton@xxxxxxxxxx>, DTP development
mailing list
<dtp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 06/12/2019 01:14 PM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE:
[tools-pmc]
DTP committer
election
failed: only 1
out of 3
committers
voted.
Thanks
Wayne, I know.
Just waiting
to see Brian's
response or a
timeout to get
triggered. ;)
Doug.
From:
tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of
Wayne Beaton [wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent:
Wednesday,
June 12, 2019
4:12 PM
To:
Tools PMC
mailing list
Cc:
Jean-Francois
Maury; Brian
Payton; DTP
development
mailing list
Subject:
Re:
[tools-pmc]
DTP committer
election
failed: only 1
out of 3
committers
voted.
FWIW,
when a PMC
declares a
project
dysfunctional,
they get some
pretty broad
powers to make
whatever
changes they'd
like to the
project team.
The
PMC can decide
to retire or
appoint
specific
committers or
project leads.
It's a power
that should be
used rarely as
it circumvents
the community
process.
So...
you don't
actually have
to retire any
committers, or
appoint Nick
as an interim
custodian (you
can just
appoint Nick's
candidate if
that makes
sense to you).
You should
also appoint
that candidate
as a committer
while you're
at it (one
role does not
imply the
other).
HTH,
Wayne
On
Wed, Jun 12,
2019 at 3:47
PM Nick Boldt
<nboldt@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Brian,
I'm
trying to
elect a
colleague into
the DataTools
project so I
can pass on
some
responsibility
to him, as my
time to
maintain DTP
is becoming
increasingly
stretched thin
and his core
function
depends on DTP
continuing to
work (mine no
longer does).
I
submitted an
election for
Jeff
(Jean-Francois)
Maury last
week, but no
one other than
myself voted.
There are
supposedly
only 2 active
committers in
DTP right now
(other than
myself), but I
don't see any
commits since
2015 or 2016,
suggesting
that neither
yourself or
Yulin are
still active.
Could
you resubmit
the
nomination? Or
would you like
me to take
over as
project lead?
Thanks
in advance,
Nick
Boldt
On
Sat, Jun 8,
2019 at 2:51
AM Aleksandar
Kurtakov <akurtako@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On
Fri, Jun 7,
2019 at 11:17
PM Nick Boldt
<nboldt@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hey,
Tools PMC:
I
tried to elect
a colleague
into the DTP
project (since
he's helping
me maintain
it) and the
other 2
remaining
committers on
the DTP
project failed
to vote +1,
-1, or 0.
Can
you declare
the project
dysfunctional?
I can submit
the nomination
again if you'd
like them to
have a second
chance to
respond.
Did
you try to
contact the
project lead?
Please do so
and add the
PMC list on
CC. If we get
not reply in 2
weeks and no
one else
objects on the
list I propose
that we(the
PMC) ask
foundation to
make you
project lead
so you can
handle
retiring
inactive
people, rerun
voting and do
the general
handling of
the project.
Regards,
Alex
Nick
On
Thu, Jun 6,
2019 at 2:14
PM Wayne
Beaton <wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
No.
I cannot. The
rules require
that, in the
case of a
project with
three or fewer
committers,
that all
committers
vote.
There
are two
workarounds:
- Have
the project
lead retire
those
committers and
rerun the
election; or
- Have
the PMC
declare the
project
dysfunctional
and request
that
add/remove
committers and
project leads.
I'm
thinking that
we might be
leaning
towards the
later.
Note
that Project
Lead and
Committer are
two separate
roles. While
it generally
makes little
sense for
somebody to be
a Project Lead
but not a
Committer,
this is
precedent. If
you want them
to have both
roles, they'll
need to be
elected (or
appointed by
the PMC if we
go the
dysfunctional
route) to
both.
I've
cleaned up the
bogus PMC
relationships.
They should
disappear from
the "who" page
shortly.
Wayne
On
Wed, Jun 5,
2019 at 10:50
PM Nick Boldt
<nboldt@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
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