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Re: [tools-pmc] DTP committer election failed: only 1 out of 3 committers voted.
I need the PMC to document their decision on an open forum, give sufficient time for the community to respond, and then ask the EMO to make the changes.

I leave the definition of "sufficient time" to the PMC's discretion. IMHO, the discussion in this forum constitutes reasonable documentation of the decision.

HTH,

Wayne

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:04 PM Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
That would be easiest. The Tools PMC can reboot the project, but I imagine there's more paperwork for that. Though Wayne would know for sure.

Doug.

From: Nick Boldt [nboldt@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 1:39 PM
To: Brian Payton
Cc: Doug Schaefer; Tools PMC mailing list; Jean-Francois Maury; DTP development mailing list
Subject: Re: RE: [tools-pmc] DTP committer election failed: only 1 out of 3 committers voted.

Brian, 

If you're happy to appoint me as lead, so that I can delegate some work to Jeff, please make it so.

Thanks,

Nick


On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 2:59 PM Nick Boldt <nboldt@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
If I resubmit the election, and only get your and my votes, it'll still fail as it needs 3 votes to pass.

But if I'm project lead, then I can simply delegate someone as a committer, right?

Nick

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 9:59 PM Brian Payton <bpayton@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Sorry, just saw these emails.

Nick, if you want to restart the committer election, I'll watch for it and vote.

And if you would like to take over as DTP project lead, that would be fine with me. (I really haven't touched anything Eclipse-related for years now.)

Regards,
Brian

Brian Payton
Senior Software Developer
IBM Analytics


Inactive hide details for Doug Schaefer ---06/12/2019 01:14:41 PM---Thanks Wayne, I know. Just waiting to see Brian's responseDoug Schaefer ---06/12/2019 01:14:41 PM---Thanks Wayne, I know. Just waiting to see Brian's response or a timeout to get triggered. ;) Doug.

From: Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Tools PMC mailing list <tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Jean-Francois Maury <jmaury@xxxxxxxxxx>, Brian Payton <bpayton@xxxxxxxxxx>, DTP development mailing list <dtp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 06/12/2019 01:14 PM
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [tools-pmc] DTP committer election failed: only 1 out of 3 committers voted.




Thanks Wayne, I know. Just waiting to see Brian's response or a timeout to get triggered. ;)

Doug.


From: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of Wayne Beaton [wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 4:12 PM
To: Tools PMC mailing list
Cc: Jean-Francois Maury; Brian Payton; DTP development mailing list
Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] DTP committer election failed: only 1 out of 3 committers voted.

FWIW, when a PMC declares a project dysfunctional, they get some pretty broad powers to make whatever changes they'd like to the project team.

The PMC can decide to retire or appoint specific committers or project leads. It's a power that should be used rarely as it circumvents the community process.

So... you don't actually have to retire any committers, or appoint Nick as an interim custodian (you can just appoint Nick's candidate if that makes sense to you). You should also appoint that candidate as a committer while you're at it (one role does not imply the other).

HTH,

Wayne



On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 3:47 PM Nick Boldt <nboldt@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
    Brian,

    I'm trying to elect a colleague into the DataTools project so I can pass on some responsibility to him, as my time to maintain DTP is becoming increasingly stretched thin and his core function depends on DTP continuing to work (mine no longer does).

    I submitted an election for Jeff (Jean-Francois) Maury last week, but no one other than myself voted. There are supposedly only 2 active committers in DTP right now (other than myself), but I don't see any commits since 2015 or 2016, suggesting that neither yourself or Yulin are still active.

    Could you resubmit the nomination? Or would you like me to take over as project lead?

    Thanks in advance,

    Nick Boldt

    On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 2:51 AM Aleksandar Kurtakov <akurtako@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


    On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 11:17 PM Nick Boldt <nboldt@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
      Hey, Tools PMC:

      I tried to elect a colleague into the DTP project (since he's helping me maintain it) and the other 2 remaining committers on the DTP project failed to vote +1, -1, or 0.

      Can you declare the project dysfunctional? I can submit the nomination again if you'd like them to have a second chance to respond.

    Did you try to contact the project lead? Please do so and add the PMC list on CC. If we get not reply in 2 weeks and no one else objects on the list I propose that we(the PMC) ask foundation to make you project lead so you can handle retiring inactive people, rerun voting and do the general handling of the project.

    Regards,
    Alex

      Nick


      On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:14 PM Wayne Beaton <wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
      No. I cannot. The rules require that, in the case of a project with three or fewer committers, that all committers vote.

      There are two workarounds:
        • Have the project lead retire those committers and rerun the election; or
        • Have the PMC declare the project dysfunctional and request that add/remove committers and project leads.
      I'm thinking that we might be leaning towards the later.

      Note that Project Lead and Committer are two separate roles. While it generally makes little sense for somebody to be a Project Lead but not a Committer, this is precedent. If you want them to have both roles, they'll need to be elected (or appointed by the PMC if we go the dysfunctional route) to both.

      I've cleaned up the bogus PMC relationships. They should disappear from the "who" page shortly.

      Wayne


      On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 10:50 PM Nick Boldt <nboldt@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED.


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      Director of Open Source Projects | Eclipse Foundation, Inc.


      --
      Nick Boldt
      Principal Software Engineer, RHCSA
      Productization Lead :: JBoss Tools & Dev Studio
      IM: @nickboldt / @nboldt / http://nick.divbyzero.com
TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED.


    --
    Nick Boldt
    Principal Software Engineer, RHCSA
    Productization Lead :: JBoss Tools & Dev Studio
    IM: @nickboldt / @nboldt / http://nick.divbyzero.com

TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED.


--
Wayne Beaton
Director of Open Source Projects | Eclipse Foundation, Inc.




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Nick Boldt

Principal Software Engineer, RHCSA

Productization Lead :: JBoss Tools & Dev Studio

IM: @nickboldt / @nboldt / http://nick.divbyzero.com


“The Only Thing That Is Constant Is Change” - Heraclitus


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Principal Software Engineer, RHCSA

Productization Lead :: JBoss Tools & Dev Studio

IM: @nickboldt / @nboldt / http://nick.divbyzero.com


“The Only Thing That Is Constant Is Change” - Heraclitus
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