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Hi David,
Thank you,
will do that then.
Best regards
Elemer
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From: David M Williams <david_williams@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: 2016/03/11 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] Fw: PMC approval needed for committer vote for ....
Ok, this may not be as constructive as I initially suggested, but to address other PMC members concerns (and community concerns), I will "-1" current nominations.
But that is not near as negative as it sounds. As your contributors develop some history "in the open", that you can document, then please renominate them. You do not have to wait and do all 6 at once :) ... I expect these will
get more scrutiny the second time through, so suggest there be several substantiative contributions that show knowledge of domain and the code -- not just "cleaning up warnings" or similar easy things. IMO, 4 or 5 such commits would suffice. BTW, it is important
that potential committers do have "commits", but there can be supportive information, such as presentations, wiki authorship, mailing list activity, etc., if that helps you document their "open" activity.
And again, nothing about this is meant to say any of the nominees is "unworthy" -- it is a matter of demonstrating a history with the project that demonstrates "commitment" (conceptually) and merit in an open and transparent
way.
In the long run, your project will be better off doing things more transparently and "in the open", though I am aware it is not always as easy as having a closed code base that is occasionally made open.
BTW, given these "-1s" I do not think the project needs to be literally "rebooted" as some have suggested, and we will trust that who ever committed the large "sync with internal servers" did do their committer duty and ensured
all changes were "legal", permissible, etc. before committing.
If any PMC members disagree with me, I am sure they will speak up, and they will initiate what ever they think needs to be done.
From: Elemér Lelik <elemer.lelik@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Cc: "titan-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx" <titan-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 03/11/2016 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] Fw: PMC approval needed for committer vote for ....
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Hi David et al.
Thank you.
I appreciate your constructive approach. We are working on filing in the gaps of authoring information , which indeed is not entirely complete.
Best regards
Elemer
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On Behalf Of David M Williams
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 8:08 PM
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Cc: titan-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] Fw: PMC approval needed for committer vote for ....
This sounds ok to me. But, I will wait a few days to +1 to see if any one else has any comments.
BTW, even if done "internally" and then "sync'd" up, I would think they would still show up as "'authors" of the 'commits' in the repository. If that is not the case, then that might indicate a problem with your use of Git -- not quite using the correct workflow.
Normally, when doing work 'in the open' (especially at Eclipse) you want to be sure the author of the commit is maintained, even if someone else commits it to the repository. If you need help with that, please ask. But, it could be just that your internal
workflow was such that you sort of "lost" who the author was.
Thanks for your reply -- and thanks for moving to doing "development in the open".
From: Elemér Lelik <elemer.lelik@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Tools PMC mailing list <tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "titan-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx"
<titan-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 03/09/2016 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] Fw: PMC approval needed for committer vote for ....
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Hi David,
I understand your confusion and I ‘m the guilty one for creating such a confusing situation.
Let me explain: the development of Eclipse Titan is ongoing in Ericsson, and there’s a developer team taking care of that. Up until recently, the workflow was to update from time to time the public github repositories
from our internal git repositories ( which usually was proxied by me) , but Wayne pointed out that this is not in accordance with the transparency and openness required by the Eclipse development model.
Which we understood and now we are preparing to move all our development in the open; but for this the whole team needs committer rights so they can continue working in github (and Bugzilla etc.) under the same conditions they did before
internally.
So the new committer rights requested are for developers who are de facto developing Titan currently. Once committer rights attributed , we can cut over to the tools provided by Eclipse.
I hope this is will be favorably acknowledged by the PMC.
Thank you for your understanding and best regards
Elemer
From: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of David M Williams
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 10:36 PM
To: titan-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Tools PMC mailing list
Subject: [tools-pmc] Fw: PMC approval needed for committer vote for ....
Titan Committers,
We, the Tools PMC were asked to approve 6 new committer elections similar to the attached one. Normally that is a wonderful thing. But, in this case, there was no evidence given of Eclipse commits or history, which is typically required to become a new committer.
That is how Eclipse ensures "merit" and not simply that someone, say, works for a certain employer.
Normally, if a project has "just started" we do not mind bending the rules a little, but Titan has been at Eclipse for one year now, so I would think that is time enough to learn the Eclipse rules and process, and also time enough for new committers to develop
some history with the project.
So can Elemer or someone explain to the PMC a little more what this is about? Did the nominations just fail to mention the commits and history at Eclipse? Was there some special new contribution of code? Or is there a misunderstanding of what it takes to become
a new committer?
I don't mean to slow things down, and certainly don't want to discourage new committers -- I am sure they are all worthy. But, I do feel an obligation to "enforce the rules" that everyone must follow since every exception makes the next one easier, until there
are no rules at all! Especially for 6 committers at once! Makes me think something is going on that is not well understood or documented?
Thanks,
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To: tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Date: 03/08/2016 04:49 AM
Subject: [tools-pmc] PMC approval needed for committer vote for Arpad Lovassy
Sent by: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
tools PMC Members,
This automatically generated message marks the completion of voting for
Arpad Lovassy's Committer status on the tools.titan project. As a PMC
member, you can approve or disapprove this vote through your My Foundation
portal page:
http://portal.eclipse.org/
Arpad Lovassy was nominated by Elemer Lelik as follows:
member of Titan developer team
Vote summary: 4/0/0 with 0 not voting
+1 Elemer Lelik
+1 Gyorgy Rethy
+1 Kristof Szabados
+1 Gabor Szalai
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