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Re: [tools-pmc] [Request] Graduation from Incubation to Maturity of Buildship

Thanks, David. Your positive vote is highly appreciated. And so is your feedback. See some comments/questions inline.

On 14.08.2015, at 08:51, David M Williams <david_williams@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



I'm ok with this. I am not sure of the formal mechanism ... normally it is part of a "release review (record)", but since you have just done 'service' since your 1.0.0 version, I am not sure if that's required.  (Probably not, I'm sure Wayne will say, if so).

What is the next step to officially leave incubation? (and to get rid of the incubation logo on the Buildship home page?)

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A minor thing ... some of your "project links" I think could be improved. For example, If someone searches for buildship, or gradle, on Eclipse Projects page, you end up on this page:

And, there you can see "website", "code" and "downloads" icons.

Both your "website" and "code" icons link to the code. I suspect you want your "website" to point to
or, at least

And, of course should link to some download page ... even if it's just wiki instructions and URLs on how to install from p2 repo and perhaps link to your active build pages too. Though, many projects have several options ... releases, milestones, and nightly builds, if nothing else.

And the links on
could use similar TLC (actually, I think they come from the same "metadata" that you provide.
(And, sorry, I am not sure, right off, where you enter it ... it used to be the "Portal", but I think Wayne has (or, is?) providing a new way to edit that data.

Thanks for the suggestions. I have created an issue for this to ensure we tackle this in time for Mars 1.

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Another point to clarify: In your project description, you say "Buildship 1.0 is targeted towards Gradle users. Later versions will target Gradle build masters." Keep in mind I am pretty naive, but I thought Gradle was all about "building" so I am not sure what the difference is between "Gradle users" and "Gradle build masters". I wonder if you intend to say something else ... and if you could say it differently, so that even I would understand what you mean?

I’ve updated the descriptions. I hope it makes it easier to understand the difference between a build user and a build master.

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Lastly, some high level advice. It seems a lot of your focus so far, is interacting with "the Gradle community". That's good, especially for "us", Eclipse, since it makes Eclipse (more) attractive to Gradle users. But, I hope as your project matures, you interact more with "the Eclipse community" and increase their awareness and possibly their use of Gradle. It seems that would be advantageous to "you".  (And, I think good for Eclipse too, since it is a form of diversity, IMHO).

We are doing this, I’d say, or at least we are trying to. We are in close touch with several experienced people from the Eclipse world and integrate their feedback to ensure that we can give developer companies out there a Buildship that is really useful and practical to them. We are also trying to speak about Buildship at conferences as much as we can (EclipseCon NA, France, Europe). Some of the people in the Eclipse community have also started to give presentations on Buildship. We will continue our efforts on this.

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Congratulations on reaching this point in your project, and best of luck as you continue to grow and evolve.

Thank you. We are excited.



From:        Etienne Studer <etienne@xxxxxxxxxx>
To:        Tools PMC mailing list <tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date:        08/10/2015 11:34 AM
Subject:        [tools-pmc] [Request] Graduation from Incubation to Maturity of        Buildship
Sent by:        tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx


The Buildship project has become part of the Eclipse Mars release train. We are part of the aggregation build since last week, and we have requested inclusion in the Java package and the Eclipse Committers package (answer pending). We have gone through a review process with Buildship 1.0, released in July with Eclipse Mars in the new Marketplace.

We will release Buildship 1.0.3 in time for SR-1 with various fixes to the 1.0 release.

Today, we want to request to graduate out of incubation into maturity in time for Mars SR-1. We have read the documents and believe we are ready. Some details below:

1) Working and demonstrable code base with extensible frameworks and exemplary tools

The current focus of Buildship is to be a tool for Eclipse users. This resolves the biggest pain point: having a solid tool to work with Gradle from within Eclipse. The framework aspect will be covered once we have a better understanding what (if anything) third parties actually want to build on top of Buildship.

2) Active communities

We have an active user community. All communication between the Buildship project and the community takes place at the Gradle Forum for Buildship ( This is the most natural place for Gradle users to ask any Gradle-related questions, including questions about Buildship (which sometimes turn out to be Gradle core questions). Many issues (fixes/enhancements) are reported in the Gradle Forum for Buildship, and we actively handle them - many issues being fixed within a short period of time.

We have a multi-organization community. We have an active relationship with various companies/entities; amongst them are Vogella, RedHat, Itemis, and some others. We receive PRs from them that fix bugs and provide new functionality. We also get constant feedback from developers from the community through BugZilla and through the Forum.

3) The project is operating fully in the open using open source rules of engagement

The source code is hosted publicly on GitHub. Discussions take place in the Gradle Forum for Buildship which is open to everyone. Issues are tracked in’s BugZilla which is public. Daily snapshots of master are published as public update sites on All stories we intend to work on at some point in time are described in GitHub. We respond to all community input quite fast as a sign of appreciation. We highly value input from the community.

4) The project team members have learned the ropes and logistics of being an Eclipse project

We have gotten excellent and very close mentorship from the beginning on from Wayne Beaton and Markus Knauer (thanks!). We adhere to the process to the best of our knowledge and feel comfortable with the process. We actively promote Buildship at conferences, either Eclipse-related events or Gradle-related events.

We get a lot of very positive feedback for Buildship through various channels. Being out of incubation is the next step. Thanks for looking into it.

Kind regards, Etienne, Buildship project lead
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