Thanks Gorkem. It sounds like what you
are after is "the same thing" as WTP's use of various servers,
and "making those easy to install" ... But, if that is the case,
then you'd be in to clause ii) of that document:
"The Eclipse software is designed
to work with multiple third party software choices that
provide similar functionality - the
choice of which to use is up to the user. At least one of
those must be a prerequisite (see below)
or approved by the EMO for distribution by the
I've (tried, if your mail client displays
it) to highlight the second sentence. In WTP's case, it is now "Jetty"
That is an "approved for distribution" prerequisite (used to
be Tomcat, years ago). So, there is "one approved" and "multiple
choices" that user can choose.
I don't think the same can be said here
for Cordova? Right? Or, have I missed something?
I hope this is helpful.
Others on PMC are free to speak up.
I am not trying to dictate the decision ... just stating the little that
Gorkem Ercan <gorkem.ercan@xxxxxxxxx>
Tools PMC mailing list
09/08/2014 03:01 PM
FW: [CQ 8391] Apache cordova Version: 3.0.0 and later
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:29 PM, David M Williams <david_williams@xxxxxxxxxx>
I feel I'm being asked to "rubber stamp"
something that hasn't been fully explained.
I made my initial comments in https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=8391#c7
(where I expressed doubt that it met the sprit of the "works with"
clause of https://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/Eclipse_Policy_and_Procedure_for_3rd_Party_Dependencies_Final.pdf
To me, the spirit of that clause is, some Eclipse software is perfectly
fine without the pre-req, but the pre-req is typically available, and if
it is available, then the user gets some extra functionality. [The example
of a "web browser" is given in the document. A more recent example
might be the use of SWT's "GTK 3" .. if GTK 3 is available, it
uses that for extra functionality, and if not, drops back to using GTK
2. And GTK is pretty much universally available on Linux distributions,
and if by chance, neither are available, I believe they have some other
"fallback" to use. Notice they do not simply "make GTK easier
So that leaves me with some unanswered questions: 1) is Tyme useful/usable without it? And this "Cordova"
just gives them something extra?
I think, this is more like Apache Tomcat and WTP server
tools relation rather than GTK. Similar to WTP does with Tomcat and other
application servers , Thym also provides a download button to its users
so that they can download a Cordova version from Apache and use it for
testing and distributing.
2) It was stated "nothing is being distributed" with Tyme, but
the intent was '...to make sure Thym users can get set up with Cordova
with minimal effort." I interpret this as opposite of the "works
with" clause ... that it is not commonly available, so there is ?something?
being distributed that makes it easier to get. What is is that something?
What happens if a user does not want to get it?
Cordova is not commonly available as in GTK but as in
Tomcat server. Cordova is a shell iOS, Android (or other supported platform's)
you have developed as your application. This allows mobile applications
to be developed with HTML5 and deployed to multiple platforms.
I hope I don't seem I'm "holding things up" over technicalities
... but I believe it's my (our) responsibility to understand and judge
these "rules" as best we can. In that spirit, I'm fully acknowledging
I may simply be ignorant of what's being done and what "Cordova"
is ... hence ... open and transparent discussion' :)
>Sharon Corbett <sharon.corbett@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> What |Removed
>--- Comment #18 from Sharon Corbett <sharon.corbett@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>2014-09-04 10:02:52 ---
>Unfortunately there actually needs to be an "open and transparent"
>on the matter to ensure the exception meets the Eclipse Third Party
>Guidelines  followed by PMC voting on the issue. This needs
>and most projects perform this via the PMC Mailing List.
>Typical rule of thumb is to use the standard voting rule...Five days
>until everybody votes), minimum of 3 +1s, no -1s.
>The PMC Mailing URL is then provided back here in order for the IP
>process the request accordingly.
>Can I leave this with you and/or David to initiate and provide an update
>of the relevant URL when the vote has completed?
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