RE: [technology-pmc] Re: [tools-pmc] Newsreader project

["Mike Milinkovich" <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Wim, Eric,

New top-level projects are not created from new projects which are in
incubation[1]. The way the Eclipse process works is that once we have a
collection of mature projects in a domain which want to band together to
form a TLP, the Board will review and approve an approved charter.
Currently, ECF is the only mature project on your list of suggested domains.

I would suggest that you get started in Technology and re-visit the idea of
a new top-level project once your new project(s) have exited incubation.

Please note that these comments are not in any way meant to dampen your
enthusiasm for creating a "Collaboration" or "Social" top level project. I
think it's a very interesting idea. But I believe we need a couple more
mature projects in the domain before such a TLP should be proposed to the
Board.

I hope this helps!

[1] The reason this is true is that we tried it early in our evolution as a
community and it did not work very well. PMCs need to have some prior
experience with shipping Eclipse open source.

Mike Milinkovich
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Content-filter at foundation.eclipse.org
> [mailto:postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wim Jongman
> Sent: June-05-09 4:58 AM
> To: Wayne Beaton
> Cc: Eclipse Communication Framework (ECF) developer mailing list.;
Technology
> PMC; Tools PMC mailing list; ralph@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [technology-pmc] Re: [tools-pmc] Newsreader project
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Sounds good to me. What about the idea of a top level "Social",
> "Community" or "Collaboration" top level project where matured tools
> from ECF, Technology, Etc.. can be moved to?
> 
> I am thinking about. IRC, Newsreader, twitter clients, etcetera?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Wim
> 
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Wayne Beaton<wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > ECF, quite reasonably, isn't going to be able to move on this any time
> > before July.
> >
> > I wonder if the right approach is to create a project under Technology
that
> > we can later move to ECF?
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > Wim Jongman wrote:
> >>
> >> Okay, this sounds like a consent conclusion and I am more than happy
> >> to work with ECF. What should I do next. Send the same introduction
> >> e-mail to the Technology PMC?
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Wim Jongman
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Schaefer, Doug
> >> <Doug.Schaefer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> +1. ECF or Tech. Nothing more to add.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> [mailto:tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff McAffer
> >>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:54 AM
> >>> To: Tools PMC mailing list
> >>> Cc: Wayne Beaton; slewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] Newsreader project
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Looking at the current top level projects list, I don't think that
> >>>> there is currently a project that is a good fit for tools like this.
> >>>> Ideally there should be a "Social" top level project that would fit
> >>>> tools like this one and could also hold the "Social" subprojects from
> >>>> ECF like the chat clients and the IRC client and possible future
> >>>> projects like a twitter client. I have some other ideas about this
top
> >>>>      level project. However, at the moment, the Tools project seems
the
> >>>> best.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I am not so fussed about which top-level project at the moment and
> >>> generally we don't start top-levels until there is a very clear
> >>> direction and community.
> >>>
> >>> Also we should keep separate (to a certain degree) which technology is
> >>> being used.  That is, just cause the project *might* be in mylyn (for
> >>> example) does not mean that one automatically has to install mylyn to
> >>> make it work.  That all depends on the code dependencies.  We have
> >>> swaths of Equinox that don't need the Equinox framework at all or can
> >>> run on other frameworks.
> >>>
> >>> Your comments around Social and ECF actually lead me to believe that
> >>> while the implementation does not necessarily use ECF, ECF is
currently
> >>> a focal point at Eclipse for social/communications things.  So perhaps
> >>> this is better suited to being part of ECF with an aim to at some
point
> >>> growing a broader social community.  Failing that, I personally
suggest
> >>> a project in Technology.  Technology is the usual spot to start
projects
> >>> that have no other obvious home.
> >>>
> >>> Jeff
> >>>
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