+1
Schaefer, Doug wrote:
Thanks, Greg. This helps a lot
and will approve the IPzilla when it comes by.
Cheers,
Doug.
Doug,
Yes, I've been away in Germany trying to solicit support for
PTP. Let me try and address some of these issues. I agree that this
could appear to be one vendor trying to find an open source home,
however there is actually very little in the contribution that is
vendor specific. IBM already contributed the remote tools component,
but it is clear that there are other parts of the Cell IDE that would
be equally beneficial to the broader community. They have also provided
a full time committer to maintain these contributions, and a direct
result, this committer and other developers are now working to improve
core parts of PTP that would otherwise not have happened. Further, in
my view, this contribution is more along the lines of "PTP support for
Cell" rather than a Cell specific product, and broadening the platform
support is one of my highest priorities. Also, frankly, if other
vendors, such as Cray or HP were willing to provide contributions of
this magnitude, they would also be greatly welcomed by the community.
However, to date they have shown little interest. As you know, PTP
operates under a different development model from most other Eclipse
projects, and anything that might stimulate commercial interest in
using Eclipse for HPC would be extremely beneficial.
Regards,
Greg
On Jul 11, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Schaefer, Doug wrote:
Thanks Anthony,
I have a little more detail. It
was a contribution from the IBM developers that created the
Eclipse-based Cell IDE to Parallel Tools Project. I'm not sure if it
was solicited or not and I think Greg has been away since I haven't
heard from him. But I did hear from Beth Tibbits of the PTP project who
explained that the Cell team had desires to make the tooling more
generic and applicable to other community members. So I'm less
concerned now.
But this is something that has
come up a few times over the years and always made uncomfortable. If a
contribution is targeted solely at the customers of the vendor that
contributed the work, is that an appropriate contribution. On the
surface, it appears that the vendor is trying to find a open source
home and distribution channel for the work and chose Eclipse. They
could have just as easily, if not more easily, created a SourceForge
project to achieve the same results. Unless they wanted the Eclipse
brand to help promote the work. And that's where I get really
uncomfortable.
At any rate, if the community
strongly supports it, we as the PMC should probably let it pass. I'm
more worried if the community doesn't express an opinion and it just
slips through.
Cheers,
Doug.
Hi Doug,
" the Cell IDE fits into the PTP
mandate", what does PTP have to say about this?
If this is a contribution request to PTP why are we asking the tools
PMC for guidance?
Cheers...
Anthony
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<graycol.gif>"Schaefer,
Doug" ---07/11/2008 11:27:56 AM---Looking for guidance here. Is this an
appropriate contribution to Eclipse?
Looking for guidance here.
Is this an appropriate contribution to Eclipse?
Cheers,
Doug.
From: ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:11 AM
To: Parallel Tools Platform general
developers
Cc: lagarcia@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE
contribution to PTP
Cool, thanks Craig. I can
see Cell being useful for the scientific community. But I'm trying to
figure out if there is any separation between the Cell IDE and IBM
commercial interests. You did somewhat confirm that you are an IBM
customer and do fit on the commercial side. I assume IBM, like most
platform vendors, should be providing a supported IDE as a part of
their solution, no?
I think we get into a fuzzy
area when a commercial vendor contributes software that can only be
used with their products. I have similar concerns with the xlc
integration with the CDT, BTW. I'll need to check up the chain about
that, assuming that's what this is. And, if the community fully support
this, it makes it harder for me to argue.
Cheers,
Doug.
From: ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Craig Rasmussen
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:44 AM
To: Parallel Tools Platform general
developers
Cc: lagarcia@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE
contribution to PTP
The Cell architecture is a big component of Los
Alamos' computing vision. We have just purchased the 1 Petaflop
Roadrunner machine and are looking for ways to ease the transition for
our developers. I'm a member of a small team of neural scientists at
LANL who are purchasing a small Cell based cluster for code
development. Our team is also using Eclipse and PTP and the Cell IDE
fits very nicely in the parallel space we are working in.
Cheers,
Craig
On Jul 11, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Schaefer, Doug
wrote:
I've added a comment on
the bug. I'm just wondering how the Cell IDE fits into the PTP mandate.
And I'm wondering about the community around the Cell IDE, i.e., who
uses it, is there a community outside of IBM commercial interests?
Doug wearing his Tools
PMC hat.
From: ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Leonardo Augusto Guimarães Garcia
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:09 PM
To: Parallel Tools Platform general
developers
Subject: Re: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE
contribution to PTP
Greg,
I attached the necessary patches and the source code for Cell IDE in
the Eclipse bug #240243.
Please, let me know if there is any issue.
Best regards,
Leonardo Garcia
Linux on Cell and Prism Focal Point - LTC Brazil
IDE Software Engineer - Linux on Cell
Linux Technology Center Brazil
Phone: +55-19-2132-2068 (T/L: 839-2068)
lagarcia@xxxxxxxxxx
Leonardo Augusto Guimarães Garcia wrote:
Greg,
I opened Eclipse bug #240243 in
order to contribute Cell IDE source code to PTP.
I'll attach the necessary patches and source code on the bug by the end
of this week so that you and others interested can take a look.
Best regards,
Leonardo Garcia
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