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the only real difference is that making more => more projects => more reviews etc.  Making less has downsides as well.

Jeff



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Guys,

It seems to be a sign of a dysfunctional process when everyone needs to
create incubating subprojects effectively for no other reason than to take
advantage of parallel IP.   It's just not clear who is being well served by
this additional organizational complexity.   Note that for EMF we have the
EMFT project as its permanently incubating satellite project and that all
the components for EMFT live under /cvsroot/modeling/org.eclipse.emf along
with the components for EMF so it makes little real difference whether EMFT
is a separate subproject or not.  As such, I don't see that it  makes much
difference whether Tools has multiple incubating subprojects or just one.


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Jeff wrote:
>Sure would be good to have that parallel IP process extended to all
projects ;-)
+1 :-P

As for getting a tools incubator, I agree I think we need one. It does not
make sense for a tools project to start its onw incubator just because it
can.
It does not make sens not have to have the ability to incubate things in
tools, especially when those are tightly linked to a certain tools project.

Note that web tools started theiur own incubator.
Incubators are in, they are cool.
Let's do one!

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Philippe
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you would have to have a subproject in Technology as well.  IMHO it would
be better to have one general Tools incubator subporject with N components
than N Tech subprojects.  Either solution is not great.
Jeff


                                                                         
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Jeff,

Isn't that what the Technology project is for?!   It seems almost ironic
for the Tools project to have a general purpose incubating subproject when
the entire Technology project exists for this purpose...


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unfortunately the parallel IP process applies only to "Incubating
Projects".  VE is not incubating. It seems a bit extreme to set up a new
Tools project to incubate this work.  So an interesting question is
whether
or not Tools should have a general "Incubator" as we do in the Eclipse
TLP.


Jeff



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Hi Yves:
Welcome ! This is a great news.
Your contributions are very much welcomed and I would love you join the
project and be a driving force for non-Java visual editing.
Team, I had a good discussion with Yves on the phone and here is how we
could go at it:
1/ we need a VE incubator for that, so we can welcome new significant code
contributions and benefit from the paralell IP process . Any thought from
the Tools PMC on how to do that?
2/ in the meantime Yves and I will work to prepare his contribution (mini
ip
review, package/names space refactoring, notices, licenses etfc) and when
ready this will be posted in some public for everyone to review
3/ at that stage I'll be able to start an IPZilla CQ to get review and
approval for that contribution
4/ then we can vote Yves in asa  new committer

The interesting things is :
There are synergies possibilities with the proposed contribution from
Cathy
(the VE Groovy extensions)
There have been request here and on the new group for XML focused VE
extensions.

Thoughts? Feedback?


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Philippe
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Subject: [ve-dev] Contribution on VE with XML editor


Hi All,

I'm Yves YANG from Soyatec. I were the CTO of Omondo from 2002 and early
2006 and built the key components in EclispeUML. In my new company
Soyatec,
I work in a project to edit UI in XML file on top of VE since Mai 2006.
This
product is on production now in our custosmer. We think it could be
profitable for all users if we can contribute this kind of solution in
Eclipse to promote the XML UI approach, instead of the Java programming.
Please let me know if you are interested.

Best regards
Yves YANG

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