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RE: [tools-pmc] RE: [ve-dev] Contribution on VE with XML editor

I agree. I'm not sure why the subproject would be an incubator. Why couldn't
we just put the code in an incubator.

Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
Eclipse CDT Project Lead, http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com

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> On Behalf Of Ed Merks
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:00 AM
> To: pombredanne@xxxxxxxxx; Tools PMC mailing list
> Cc: 'Tools PMC mailing list'; tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx; 'Discussions
> people developing code for the Visual Editor project'
> Subject: RE: [tools-pmc] RE: [ve-dev] Contribution on VE with XML editor
> 
> Guys,
> 
> It seems to be a sign of a dysfunctional process when everyone needs to
> create incubating subprojects effectively for no other reason than to take
> advantage of parallel IP.   It's just not clear who is being well served
> by
> this additional organizational complexity.   Note that for EMF we have the
> EMFT project as its permanently incubating satellite project and that all
> the components for EMFT live under /cvsroot/modeling/org.eclipse.emf along
> with the components for EMF so it makes little real difference whether
> EMFT
> is a separate subproject or not.  As such, I don't see that it  makes much
> difference whether Tools has multiple incubating subprojects or just one.
> 
> 
> Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
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>              "Philippe
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> Jeff wrote:
> >Sure would be good to have that parallel IP process extended to all
> projects ;-)
> +1 :-P
> 
> As for getting a tools incubator, I agree I think we need one. It does not
> make sense for a tools project to start its onw incubator just because it
> can.
> It does not make sens not have to have the ability to incubate things in
> tools, especially when those are tightly linked to a certain tools
> project.
> 
> Note that web tools started theiur own incubator.
> Incubators are in, they are cool.
> Let's do one!
> 
> --
> Cheers
> Philippe
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> 
>  you would have to have a subproject in Technology as well.  IMHO it would
>  be better to have one general Tools incubator subporject with N
> components
>  than N Tech subprojects.  Either solution is not great.
>  Jeff
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>  Jeff,
> 
>  Isn't that what the Technology project is for?!   It seems almost ironic
>  for the Tools project to have a general purpose incubating subproject
> when
>  the entire Technology project exists for this purpose...
> 
> 
>  Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
>  mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
>  905-413-3265  (t/l 969)
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>              Jeff
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>  unfortunately the parallel IP process applies only to "Incubating
>  Projects".  VE is not incubating. It seems a bit extreme to set up a new
>  Tools project to incubate this work.  So an interesting question is
>  whether
>  or not Tools should have a general "Incubator" as we do in the Eclipse
>  TLP.
> 
> 
>  Jeff
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>  Hi Yves:
>  Welcome ! This is a great news.
>  Your contributions are very much welcomed and I would love you join the
>  project and be a driving force for non-Java visual editing.
>  Team, I had a good discussion with Yves on the phone and here is how we
>  could go at it:
>  1/ we need a VE incubator for that, so we can welcome new significant
> code
>  contributions and benefit from the paralell IP process . Any thought from
>  the Tools PMC on how to do that?
>  2/ in the meantime Yves and I will work to prepare his contribution (mini
>  ip
>  review, package/names space refactoring, notices, licenses etfc) and when
>  ready this will be posted in some public for everyone to review
>  3/ at that stage I'll be able to start an IPZilla CQ to get review and
>  approval for that contribution
>  4/ then we can vote Yves in asa  new committer
> 
>  The interesting things is :
>  There are synergies possibilities with the proposed contribution from
>  Cathy
>  (the VE Groovy extensions)
>  There have been request here and on the new group for XML focused VE
>  extensions.
> 
>  Thoughts? Feedback?
> 
> 
>  --
>  Cheers
>  Philippe
>  http://easyeclipse.org - http://phpeclipse.net - http://eclipse.org/atf -
>  http://eclipse.org/vep - http://labs.jboss.org/drools/ -
>  http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/XULRunner
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>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: ve-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ve-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>  Behalf Of Yves YANG
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:36 PM
>  To: ve-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>  Subject: [ve-dev] Contribution on VE with XML editor
> 
> 
>  Hi All,
> 
>  I'm Yves YANG from Soyatec. I were the CTO of Omondo from 2002 and early
>  2006 and built the key components in EclispeUML. In my new company
>  Soyatec,
>  I work in a project to edit UI in XML file on top of VE since Mai 2006.
>  This
>  product is on production now in our custosmer. We think it could be
>  profitable for all users if we can contribute this kind of solution in
>  Eclipse to promote the XML UI approach, instead of the Java programming.
>  Please let me know if you are interested.
> 
>  Best regards
>  Yves YANG
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