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Re: [tools-pmc] Mylyn 2.1 did not have a Release Review

Would it be possible to use the portal for this? The contribution process seems to work quite well now. If release review submissions were coordinated through the portal then the correct checks could be enforced at this point.


On Oct 17, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Mike Milinkovich wrote:

The main point isn't the process. It's the responsibility.

The EMO is getting awfully tired of being the only ones who seem to enforce our processes. And then get blamed for lack of education when people don't
follow it.

It is completely clear from every governance and process document in the
Eclipse Foundation that the PMC has a role to play here. If the Tools
Project *Management* Committee doesn't like my process idea, that's fine. Figure out another way to step up to the plate. Mentor your projects, train
your projects, manage your projects, whatever. These are *your*
sub-projects, not the EMO's.

Given that there is a process that requires a release review that folks
aren't following (I assume because they aren't aware), I'm really not
how an additional process will help with that.  It seems many groups
to make this same mistake at least once and Eclipse has a whole heck of
lot of rules that tend to change rather frequently. It seems the only solution is better education, better mentoring, better information and
more rules to deal with rules that aren't being followed is kind of a
circular problem generator.  But hey, that's just my opinion...

Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
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I find it personally regrettable that the EMO seemingly needs to be the lone policeman in these situations. Neither Bjorn nor I enjoy the role
traffic cop.

The PMC is supposed to have a role to play in ensuring that individual
projects are following the development and IP processes.

Would it be unreasonable to ask the Tools PMC that they institute a
whereby all projects in Tools seek PMC approval before posting a M.N
release? If you have another proposal, that would be fine. But I hope
get my drift J

Mike Milinkovich
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Mobile: +1.613.220.3223

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On Behalf Of Bjorn Freeman-Benson
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To: mylyn-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx; beatmik@xxxxxxx
Cc: tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx; emo@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tools-pmc] Mylyn 2.1 did not have a Release Review

Mik, Eugene, Gail, Ian, Rob, Steffen, (cc/ Tools PMC)
I noticed that the Mylyn web page announces the 2.1 release of Mylyn as
September 27th. However, I do not recall having a Release Review for
(looking at the list of completed reviews, I don't see it either). All
major releases are required to go through a Release Review, where
is defined as M.N. Bug fix releases (M.N.P) are exempt assuming that
are no new features in a bug fix release.  The Mylyn N&N implies that
are new features in 2.1, so it's not just a bug fix release, right?

Thus, either:
      There was a 2.1 Release Review and I am forgetting it (if so,
      provide a url), or
The 2.1 Release is really a 2.0.1 Release and thus exempt (if so,
      please explain why the N&N shows new features), or
      There was no 2.1 Release Review.
In the later case, you need to remedy that error ASAP. Anne will get
you on
the schedule in the absolutely next available slot. In the meantime,
should also take the 2.1 release off the website and the download and
update site until it has had a Release Review and IP clearance.

- Bjorn

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