| Re: [technology-pmc] Vote for Committer status for Jonah Graham was started by Erwin De Ley |
Is there project lead training or education materials?
I read some wiki articles, attended committer bootcamp at ECNA14, messed up my first committer nomination, and now email you guys, my mentor or Wayne if I have questions.
So that's a smart way of saying we probably need to be talking about a lack of training as the root cause.
Jay
That bug, and the ones that it links to, are good but I think we also need to address a more fundamental root cause. It should not surprise a project lead that he needs to provide evidence of merit; it should be part of what he is educated about in the process of becoming a committer and project lead.
I'll be honest: it absolutely shocks me that we have people in the position of project leadership who do not fundamentally understand this. *That* is what I consider more important than making the system prompt and/or enforce; if we solve the root problem, those other things are just convenient reminders.
Like many problems in software development, it seems like it's really a communication problem.
Eric
Guys,
I think this is the bug:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=460734
Jay
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I totally agree. Unfortunately Erwin didn't reach out to the other committers before nominating Jonah, so I didn't get to tell him about the meritocratic requirement. This wouldn't be a problem if it was on the form, I think.
Jay
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https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/technology-pmcTotally agree.I need to check, but I recall filing an issue awhile ago about having the committer nomination form require listing issues and git commits as contributions (as part of the nomination process). Seems like a very small change to make._______________________________________________
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I know I've raised concern about this before, but here is another committer nomination that demonstrates fundamental misunderstanding of the process and its meritocratic nature. Even worse, there is a +1 vote from another committer with the comment "I don't know who this person is." (!). To me, that's a big warning sign that the project members have not been well-informed about how things are supposed to work.
Here's the thing, the project mentors are Wayne and Jonas, both of whom I have faith are good at being mentors, among the best. So where is the process failing these new projects and their leaders? It happens often enough that I think there is a gap somewhere; I'm just not experienced in the new project on-boarding process to know where that gap might be.
Yes, I know it's easy to educate them at this point - but I'm trying to figure out how we can prevent these kinds of nominations, not just put out the fires as they flare up.
Eric
technology.triquetrum Committers,
This automatically generated message signals that Erwin De Ley has
nominated Jonah Graham as a Committer on the technology.triquetrum project.
The reason given is as follows:
Jonah has deep expertise on integrating python in java & rcp, and on
eclipse software dvp for science.
He will be valuable for the line of work in Triquetrum related to
connectors to other languages, and other science-related extensions.
thanks
erwin
The vote is being held via the MyFoundation portal: voters *must* use the
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until either all 5 existing Committers have voted or until they have been
given enough time to vote, even if they do not do so (defined as at least
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Matthew Gerring
Alex McCaskey
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