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[17:14] oisin: FYI: due to the summertime increment in EU, we are
keeping this channel open from 1100-1300 EST
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[18:03] oisin: hi guys
[18:03] DavidBosschaert: Hi Oisin
[18:03] oisin: we could be a little quiet today, because of the time
shift
[18:05] oisin: hi Rob
[18:05] RobCernich: hey guys
[18:06] oisin: we have a couple of things to talk about
[18:06] oisin: 1. STP Build
[18:06] oisin: 2. IBM Code Contrib Analysis
[18:07] oisin: 3. STP Architecture {design | deploy | run}time
[18:07] oisin: 4. Web site
[18:08] oisin: obviously by a 'couple' I actually mean 'several'
[18:08] oisin: AOB?
[18:09] DavidBosschaert: Maybe pombreda wants to introduce him/herself?
[18:11] oisin: intros are welcome along the way, let's carry on anyway
- we have a v. small group here, but let's get going
[18:11] oisin: 1. STP Build
[18:12] oisin: I assume that you have seen Naci's request to Ozan to
dup the WTP build system and get it ready to transition to STP
[18:12] DavidBosschaert: I havent. Was that sent to stp-dev?
[18:13] oisin: apologies - I just double-checked it was not sent to
stp-dev, just as an fyi to myself
[18:13] oisin: he will be directing it to compile/test/etc the IBM code
[18:13] oisin: this will not be delivered to build.eclipse.org yet, as
the IBM code is still in the 'zilla
[18:14] oisin: but it will imply a functioning build
[18:14] oisin: we **really** need buildmasters for this project
[18:14] DavidBosschaert: Cool, any idea when Ozan will be working on
this>?
[18:14] oisin: Naci and his colleagues will *not* be maintaining this
for ever, they have other jobs
[18:15] DavidBosschaert: On the buildmasters, maybe we could organize
something like a rota...
[18:15] oisin: we need initial buildmasters, with lots of coverage.
[18:15] DavidBosschaert: IONA doing it a month, Sybase a month, IBM a
month and so on?
[18:15] oisin: not a good use of resources David
[18:16] oisin: also, company orientation is not really appropriate
[18:16] DavidBosschaert: How does DTP do it then?
[18:16] oisin: we will be running continuous builds, implying that we
need time zone coverage to fix up fails
[18:16] oisin: in a timely fashion
[18:17] oisin: please note that just because you decide to be a
buildmaster at the outset it doesn't mean that you have to be one forever
[18:17] oisin: it is a transferable skill, unlike double-jointedness
[18:18] RobCernich: dtp does not, as yet, have automated builds
[18:18] oisin: we have lots and lots of people listed as committers --
we need at least 4 persons for this initial foray
[18:19] oisin: to give Naci support and to form a mind-meld between
themselves
[18:19] oisin: ok - that's my piece - I will be putting pressure on
all around
[18:19] oisin: can I move on to 2?
[18:20] DavidBosschaert: I noticed that Devang has added build
instructions to the bugzilla entry at
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=132747
[18:20] DavidBosschaert: (This applies to 2)
[18:20] oisin: Ok, we are now on 2
[18:20] oisin: Yes I have built it and run the tests -- there is one
failing unit
[18:21] RobCernich: i haven't had a chance to review the code yet
[18:21] oisin: what I haven't done is put together a structural
analysis (for tangles, etc) on the code
[18:21] RobCernich: it's on my list of things to do
[18:21] oisin: I think we are all in the same boat Rob, a lot to do
after returning from eclipsecon
[18:22] oisin: but let's keep it a high priority all the same
[18:22] DavidBosschaert: Are we happy with the amount of dependencies
this code has?
[18:22] oisin: right now it is very early in the play so some
dependencies are ok
[18:23] oisin: the WTP dependency is on the WST part of the project
and I am told by Dan it's actually just a small area of the code that
is required
[18:23] oisin: this is something that we can put in as a request to
WTP to turn into a 'feature' as part of their build to make the
consumable smaller
[18:23] oisin: the JEM dependency I was not aware of until I tried to
compile it initially
[18:24] oisin: this is part of the VE stuff and is a separately
packaged thing
[18:24] oisin: I am unsure of the strength of the requirement for JEM
[18:25] oisin: Let's all try to get the code reviewed by the end of
next week, eh?/
[18:25] oisin: Dan + Michael are committed to addressing all questions
etc and hope to post some documentation soon
[18:25] DavidBosschaert: Sounds like a plan.
[18:25] oisin: ok let's go to 3
[18:26] oisin: our architecture is, well, more of a markitecture (c.f.
proposal/charter pages)
[18:26] RobCernich: works for me
[18:26] oisin: I've nearly got a first draft architecture diagram
ready to go
[18:27] oisin: This focusses directly on the part which is considered
by ESB vendors to be the most interesting -- design/deploy
[18:27] oisin: There is nothing in there right now wrt runtime tooling
[18:27] oisin: by that I mean tools to interact with an operation SOA
system
[18:27] oisin: this could very well be a place where we can feed stuff
into TPTP
[18:29] oisin: i hope the arch can act as a focus for consumption of
elements of WTP
[18:30] oisin: well I guess it's not interesting until you see the
architecture, so I'll move on to 4 if that's ok
[18:30] oisin: Our website is a little....lightweight
[18:30] oisin: it also has the old look and feel
[18:30] oisin: we need to address these two issues
[18:31] oisin: I would certainly like someone to take point on
maintaining action items pertaining to the web site content
[18:32] DavidBosschaert: Pretty much all the links are broken
[18:32] oisin: the PMC will probably do this in the short term, but
project leads will be asked to maintain content relevant to their
subproject/incubator
[18:35] oisin: before subproject leads are fully in place, all
committers may be asked to do some work in this area
[18:35] oisin: ok. that's up to 4
[18:35] oisin: anything else on anyone's mind?
[18:37] RobCernich: too much on mine
[18:41] pombreda: DavidBosschaert: sorry, I was not in front of my
computer: I am an Eclipse open source fan, and I maintain an open
source distro called EasyEclipse plus a few plugins like EasyStruts...
[18:41] pombreda: I amde a few talks at EcliseCon too, like
http://eclipsecon.org/2006/Sub.do?id=68
[18:42] pombreda: DavidBosschaert: you can expect me to be there as an
observer
[18:43] oisin: hi Philippe!
[18:44] oisin: Rob -- what would you like to talk about
[18:44] pombreda: oisin: hi!
[18:44] DavidBosschaert: Thanks Philippe!
[18:45] RobCernich: nothing to talk about
[18:45] RobCernich: unless you can slow the rotation of the earth so
there are more hours in the day
[18:46] oisin: ho ho! did you know that I am trying to invent a time
machine too
[18:46] RobCernich:
[18:46] oisin: but have had no success, so the only option is to
divest work
[18:47] oisin: ok, we can leave it on that optimistic note -- I'll
post the irc content to the mailing list later as per usual
[18:47] oisin: thanks all and have a good evening/afternoon
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