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RE: [soa-iwg] Minutes of the SOA Initiative weekly update - March 17, 2010
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Hi Scott,
Oliver did make the request to the list (Attached).
I still need to speak to Ricco (as noted in today's minutes):
> - Donald still needs to speak to Ricco about 4.2 OSGi code inclusion.
> Will update list as soon as we can connect.
- Don
-----Original Message-----
From: soa-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soa-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Scott Lewis
Sent: March 17, 2010 6:29 PM
To: SOA Industry Working Group
Subject: Re: [soa-iwg] Minutes of the SOA Initiative weekly update - March
17, 2010
In last week's meeting notes was this:
Oliver apologized for the delay in making the request to include ECF in
the SOA IWG package, and will deliver the request today.
Any word on this? I don't see any notes/updates in today's meeting notes.
With EclipseCon and API freeze fast approaching...and releng planning
needed I need to insist on speed. If nothing else, I need to know very
soon when a decision will be made.
thanks,
Scott
Donald Smith wrote:
>
> Attendees:
>
> Donald Smith, Eclipse Foundation
>
> Falko Riemenschneider, Itemis
>
> Antonio Majori, Engineering Group
>
> Stephane Drapeau, Obeo
>
> Minutes
>
> - There were timezone problems due to North America timezone changing,
> and not Europe, and Donald had sent the meeting invitation out from
> North America
>
> - No meeting next week due to EclipseCon.
>
> - Donald still needs to speak to Ricco about 4.2 OSGi code inclusion.
> Will update list as soon as we can connect.
>
> - eBPM - to SOA TLP
>
> o http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/ebpm/ Creation review is planned
> for 7 April, 2010
>
> - Don
>
> *From:* soa-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:soa-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Donald Smith
> *Sent:* March 10, 2010 12:52 PM
> *To:* 'SOA Industry Working Group'
> *Subject:* [soa-iwg] Minutes of the SOA Initiative weekly update -
> March 10, 2010
>
> Please send and comments or omissions.
>
> Attendees:
>
> Donald Smith, Eclipse Foundation
>
> Falko Riemenschneider, Itemis
>
> Stephane Drapeau, Obeo
>
> Oliver Wolf, Sopera
>
> Zsolt Beothy-Elo, Sopera
>
> Confirmed Regrets:
>
> Ricco Deutscher, Sopera
>
> Minutes:
>
> - Oliver apologized for the delay in making the request to include ECF
> in the SOA IWG package, and will deliver the request today.
>
> - Oliver has proposed a SOA BOF at Eclipsecon that we hope would be
> interesting to the SOA IWG participants. If for some reason we are
> unable to have a SOA BOF, we will plan meet during the day through the
> week.
>
> - The Eclipse Foundation can confirm we agree with the SOA IWG to
> begin a promotion of the SOA IWG (which has thus far been unlinked or
> promoted) sometime after EclipseCon, but before Helios.
>
> - Don
>
> *From:* soa-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:soa-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Donald Smith
> *Sent:* March 3, 2010 11:25 AM
> *To:* 'SOA Industry Working Group'
> *Subject:* [soa-iwg] Minutes of the SOA Initiative weekly update -
> March 3, 2010
>
> Please let me know if you see any errors or omissions to these minutes.
>
> Attendees:
>
> Donald Smith, Eclipse Foundation
>
> Stephane Drapeau, Obeo
>
> Falko Riemenschneider, Itemis
>
> Antonio Majori, Engineering Group
>
> Oliver Wolf, Sopera
>
> Zsolt Beothy-Elo, Sopera
>
> Regrets:
>
> Scott Lewis, Independent
>
> Ricco Deutscher, Sopera
>
> - ECF in the Package
>
> o Engineering is including some pieces of ECF, but they are not
> related to the bigger potential of ECF, and the even greater potential
> of integration with Swordfish.
>
> o Oliver will draft a request to the IWG Steering Committee to include
> the suggested complimentary ECF components in the IWG package. It is
> known that there will not be an integration between ECF and Swordfish
> in the short or mid term, and hence the IWG Steering Committee needs
> to determine if this situation warrants an exception the charter which
> has a stated goal of providing integrated components.
>
> - Engineering
>
> o BAM and other components in road map - meeting was delayed due to
> unfortunate illness, meetings will take place at EclipseCon, and road
> map update will need to occur after EclipseCon
>
> - Plans for Media Launch
>
> o To date, there has been no formal launch of the IWG, it has been
> working with very low visibility.
>
> o The Participation of Engineering, a large European based SI gives
> the working group a solid backing to do a formal launch.
>
> o Consensus is that we are ready to do a launch - after EclipseCon,
> and before Helios
>
> - SpringSource
>
> o Donald to ping contacts to hopefully speak before EclipseCon
>
> - Don
>
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| Hi,
there has been a request from one of this IWG's participants, Scott Lewis, to consider the work done by the ECF for inclusion in the Helios release of the Eclipse SOA package.
From a purely technical point of view, the SOA runtime technology (Swordfish) already available in the Eclipse SOA package is mostly complementary to ECF. IIRC, there was agreement that a tighter integration between Swordfish and ECF would be beneficial, but is not absolutely required (again from a technical point of view) since both Swordfish and ECF can be used independently and appeal to different target audiences. Moreover, none of the SOA IWG's participants seems to be ready for investing the required effort at his point.
The SOA IWG charter, however, states as one of the deliverables of the SOA IWG that
"It will define and maintain requirements and a roadmap that defines a SOA platform and encourage broader participation from different solution providers. All requirements are evaluated with respect to the overarching goal of providing an interoperable SOA Platform. Requirements to integrate with technologies that are not part of the SOA Platform are considered out of scope by the SOA IWG."
The question that arises here is IMO whether including ECF in the Eclipse SOA package contributes to meeting "the overarching goal of providing an interoperable SOA Platform" or not.
Frankly, I'm not sure how we should proceed now as per the IWG charter and the more general Eclipse Industry Working Group Process. FWIW, the IWG process states that
"All Participants in an IWG, whether Steering Committee Participants or Member Participants, can participate and will have voting rights with respect to all IWG matters, including scheduling meetings and activities, and will have equal rights of access and participation in the development of all Materials, including Marketing Programs, Material development, mailing lists and wikis."
so I'd assume that we'd have to do a formal vote among the participants? @Don, can you advise?
Regards, Oliver
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