| Re: [pdt-dev] Financial or other support to get PDT up to PHP 8.x support? |
Alex,
Thanks for replying back. At least someone with experience with the existing code base gives us some kind of foothold. I am not expecting you to single-handedly implement support through PHP 8.2 and also Laravel Blade support (or if you can, please name your price!), but maybe you can advise someone with Java experience on how to navigate the code base. I've not even looked into it. I understand that it relies heavily on other dependencies and that may involve more work than might be obvious if those dependencies themselves are also outdated.
Regardless, this is great, because at this point, we potentially have up to $720/month of sponsorship. This is getting to the point were we may seriously be able to secure a Java developer through something like Upwork or similar.
I'm very open to suggestions on how best to manage the sponsorships in a transparent and trust-preserving manner, because if trust is lost, we'll end-up backsliding enormously (plus, more importantly, it's the right thing to do).
I am still concerned about the project ownership question, but I will look a little more into that as I have time. I am currently traveling this weekend and most of next week, so if I don't update as much, it doesn't mean I've given up, just busy.
Thank you, everyone, for keeping the discussion going!
Sincerely,
Basil
Hi Basil,
I am not really a proper Java developer (I can do some stuff, fix bugs etc). I also work full time as a lead PHP developer, so unfortunately my availability would be very limited.
I am however willing to contribute financially. I can offer $120 USD per month towards development costs.
In the past I did sponsor Dawid via GitHub but not quite that much money, though I would have been willing to do so.
I very much hope someone can be found to pick up PDT and get it back on track.
Thanks,
Alex
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Subject: Re: [pdt-dev] Financial or other support to get PDT up to PHP 8.x support?(Accidentally replied only to Trent initially. Resending to the whole list.)
Thank you, Trent! So, at least for now, we can say we have a potential $500/month budget to support further PDT development. Between 5–10 hours/month of development for a developer, maybe, depending on their locale.
Is anyone else on the list familiar with Eclipse project stewardship, and/or does anyone know anyone else involved in the Eclipse foundation that can help guide us in either encouraging Dawid to continue development (arguably the best way forward) or, failing that, transferring ownership to a new person, in the case that the original maintainer is not available?
Honestly, we're already much further than I expected to get on the first night of proposing this. Even if we do the work in an off-project fork, and do the project ownership task in parallel, that would be fine by me if it meant we can start chipping away at the issues.
For now, is anyone on the list Java-proficient enough to start taking a crack at the code? Alexander McKee, you commented earlier, perhaps you can speak to your availability to further work? I saw you already had some PRs accepted in the past and at least one pending.
And if anyone else has any thoughts, please share!
Sincerely,
Basil
On 2/17/23 10:34 PM, Trent Renshaw wrote:
Correct. We are willing to sponsor up to $500 per month to drive the PDT project forward whoever the developer may be.
I am not a Java developer otherwise I would lend my time. I am not sure how the syntax checking works in Eclipse; it may leverage a pluggable linter e.g. Apache Yetus with rules written in _javascript_ or some other scripting language? In which case, no Java development experience may be necessary to implement lint support for PHP >7.4.
Regards,
Trent Renshaw > Solutions Architect | Software Engineer
Evosys Pty Ltd
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From: Basil pdt-dev <pdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Saturday, 18 February 2023 at 13:25
To: Basil pdt-dev <pdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Basil Gohar <basilgohar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [pdt-dev] Financial or other support to get PDT up to PHP 8.x support?
If Dawid is no longer interested in furthering development, would your company be interested in sponsoring another developer to continue the work that's being done?
Sincerely,
Basil
On 2/17/23 9:06 PM, Trent Renshaw wrote:
My company is willing to sponsor Dawid and the PDT project as Eclipse is core to our organisation.
However, we need some acknowledgment of commitment from Dawid to meet his $500 per month goal to drive PDT forward.
Regards,
Trent Renshaw > Founder & Solutions Architect
Evosys Pty Ltd
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PO Box 583 | 12 Caltowie Place, Coffs Harbour NSW 2450
From: Basil Mohamed Gohar via pdt-dev <pdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Saturday, 18 February 2023 at 12:24
To: PDT Developers <pdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Basil Mohamed Gohar <basilgohar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [pdt-dev] Financial or other support to get PDT up to PHP 8.x support?
I reached out to Dawid directly about a month-and-a-half ago, but unfortunately I received no response. I get the feeling the current maintainer is either unable or unwilling to continue running the project. I hope that I can be proven wrong and we get the project restarted as-is.
With that said, is there any interest from anyone else in taking action to see if we can petition to have a new maintainer for the project, perhaps from among ourselves? I don't particular want it, I cannot even program in Java, but I am devoted user of PDT and concerned for its future, and would love to facilitate a process that kickstarts development again. Sadly, there are few to no other alternatives that, like PDT, are truly cross-platform, free-and-open-source, comprehensive IDEs for PHP web development. VSCodium may have the chops, but it's not a pleasant experience for me and I hate being tied to MS.
At a minimum, if the platform can be updated to support up through 8.2, that'd be a huge step forward. I am willing to explore sponsoring development in that direction, whether from myself (can't afford much) or organizing a campaign and even hiring someone from Upwork or similar, unless someone on the list wants to take a crack at it first.
So, basically, I'm proposing, if we have a compelling case to continue development, to petition the Eclipse foundation to transfer or at least open-up ownership of this project to someone who can lead it further down.
Alternatively, we can always fork it, but I'd rather exhaust all options for the original project continue forward before forking and losing the history we have with this project and its associated history.
Any thoughts? I hope I'm not the only one.
Sincerely,
Basil
On 12/2/22 9:17 AM, Alexander McKee wrote:
Hi Basil,
I think the main issue is that there is only one PDT developer, Dawid, who is intermittently active. I tried to get involved, there's still a PR open, but unfortunately it doesn't seem help is welcome.
I even sponsored Dawid using GitHub's sponsorship feature for a while.
I don't want to make it about Dawid, he's clearly done a lot of work on PDT over the years but he is also evidently not working consistently on PDT and the product is suffering as a result.
I wish he would work with other people to help enable more development to take place.
I am using PHPStorm now but I wish I could use an open source product like PDT.
Alex
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