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Re: [pdt-dev] [FAQ] add description and differentiation fromphpeclipse.de

Although I agree that focus needs to be on more important features
than debugging (I understand debugging is important, but language
parsing is more important in my opinion), I don't think Project
specific features should be included, such as Smarty features.

If the project owners of Smarty want to see a feature that helps with
the syntax, they could contribute resources to make it happen.
Otherwise it shouldn't even be considered at this time. There are
quite a few people out there who don't use Smarty and it would be
unfair to let the rest of the project lag for project specific

As for PHPEclipse, no one forced them to stop development. And nothing
prevented them from continueing their work. Although I agree that
development is somewhat slow on PDT, it's better than any tool out
there so I think they're doing good work.

On 4/29/07, Joe Kramer <cckramer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Call it coincidence, but exactly same time PhpIDE (PDT) project was
started, PhpEclipse.de project came to halt.
Probably developers of PHPEclipse.de understood that their efforts are
not so meaningful anymore since Eclipse Foundation have serious PDT
project in the works. Phpeclipse.de is inactive for a year now, you
can call it "dead".

Maybe this divide was a result of statement published by PDT that
"PHPEclispe.de project has different architecture and PDT will not
cooperate with phpeclispe.de". I believe it was published in this same
mailing list.

As a result of all this- who suffers the most? The developer
community. For more than year now we are left with two similar
projects, both not being actively developed. PhpEclipse.de is dieing.
PDT is not picking up speed. Focus is on features like debugging,
while trivial features like "mark occurrences" or Smarty syntax
highlighter is not implemented.

Maybe it's time to put aside differences and join forces with phpeclipse.de?


On 4/18/07, Yossi Leon <yossi@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
> Thanks for the suggestions. I will update most of them in the FAQ and
> site pages.
> The PDT project is not related to PHPEclipse project and the
> implementation of the different features is different.
> We might cooperate with PHPEclipse developers in the future.
> Thanks for the feedbacks,
> --
> Yossi Leon
> Product Manager, Development Tools
> & PDT Project Leader
> yossi@xxxxxxxx http://www.zend.com/ +1-646-919-1456
> http://blogs.zend.com/author/yossi/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Thomas Schmid
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:39 PM
> To: pdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pdt-dev] [FAQ] add description and differentiation
> fromphpeclipse.de
> Thank you for the work you all are doing on Eclipse.
> May I suggest some documentation?
> -------------------------------
> On the FAQ page
>         http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/faq.php
>     (Answer 5, make suggestion)
> please someone correct the link to the "PDT mailing list" - it is
> pointing to the non-existent php-dev instead of pdt-dev.
> Same link under (answer 3).
> -------------------------------
> On the PDT FAQ page please elaborate Answer 1.
> Maybe it is clear for you developers what you intend to produce under
> the name
>         "a fully functional PHP Integrated Development Environment
> framework"
> For me the phrase is rather a collection of catchwords.
> I suppose PDT is going to be:
> - a editing environment with
>    o syntax highlighting
>    o formatting tools
>    o auto completion
>    o error checking
> - test environment with
>    o JUnit integration
>    o debugging support
> - Integration with Web-browser to show effect of changes
> - support for
>    o versioning
>    o collaboration
>    o deployment
> -----------------------------------
> On the PDT FAQ page (and/or other pages) I should like to see how PDT
> differentiates itself from the  PHPeclipse project (http://
> www.phpeclipse.de).
> (The PHPeclipse project seems to have come to a standstill in 2006.
> I was a happy user of PHPeclipse up to an Eclipse update (I think
> 3.1) after which I could not get my web-pages to display in the
> PHPbrowser.)
> Is PDT going to be a successor to PHPeclipse? Or is it something
> different?
> Thanks again
>         Thomas Schmid
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