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Hi Anthony,
Kenn
This is of course
incredibly difficult.
On the one hand I
have considerable sympathy with Anthony/IBM's view.
On the other hand
I suspect that the qualifying contributions could be filtered
to
give higher
weight to recent contributions and to semantically significant
contributions
(with
considerable amounts of auto-generated EMF and LPG code many of
the
contributions
have very flattering LOC).
From reading the
code, I have often noticed Christian Vogt (perhaps because
of the name
similarity) but when I mentioned his name in an Eclipse IP
CQ,
considerable
record searching was required to clarify his status, so I think
that
Anthony's IBM
colleague's claims expire through lack of recent
contribution.
It is certainly
true that MDT-OCL originated within IBM and we are very
grateful for
that, but MDT-OCL has migrated to be synonymous with
Christian Damus
and Christian left IBM nearly a year ago. IBM should have
negotiated their
committer/veto at that point.
That said, I
think that stability of MDT-OCL merits some kind of
community
veto.
From a purely
personal point of view there are a variety of things that
I would like to
do, but was hampered in doing. Now I might be able to do
them.
It would be my
responsibility for the integrity of the changes. Ow. I
cannot
rely on Christian
to keep me on the straight and narrow. This worries me
for myself and of
course for other committers too.
I think that we
should proceed with a small group of active committers,
but also have a
'veto empowered group' to approve any API-breaking
changes (other
than LPG grammar constants). Unreasonable use of a
veto to be
referred and assessed by the PMC with potential penalty of
exclusion from
the 'veto empowered group'.
I propose
Christian Damus as a founder member (subject to his
and the PMC's
agreement) of the 'veto empowered group'.
Regards
Ed Willink
Hi Kenn
IBM donated the OCL code to Eclipse when the modeling
project was started almost four years ago. The code itself evolved within IBM
over a number of years. I committed a change to a GMF file that was dated 2002
this afternoon, so that gives you an idea on how old some of this IBM code at
the modeling projects is (you should know, you worked with us at
IBM).
The omission of IBM and Ex-IBM employees on this list is not
acceptable for our team. The reason why none of my extended IBM modeling team
is on the contributor list is because over the last four years, anything OCL
went to Christian. Now we are going to get shutout of our own
project?
I offered to take on commit rights on behalf of IBM and as the
delegate for IBM.
If you are saying no, then we are going to have to go
back into the source code and correct the project log.
You will find
@author tags from
Chris McGee
Christian Vogt
Wayne Diu
One (or
all) of these three will have to become committers again so that IBM will have
at least one committer on the project. I can dig into our Rational ClearCase
source code repository from 2003 and look for some more names of IBM
contributors if you want.
One committer from IBM on these projects is
mandatory. We donated the code and have maintained this project at Eclipse.org
going on four years. These are also the frameworks upon which our (and our
partner's) commercial products are based. We require a presence and require a
veto vote when one of the new committers breaks API, redoes the user interface
or replaces the Eclipse branding logos.
Cheers...
Anthony
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IBM Rational Software:
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"Kenn
Hussey" ---03/17/2009 07:55:03 PM---Folks,
From: |
"Kenn Hussey"
<Kenn.Hussey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> |
To: |
"MDT OCL mailing list"
<mdt-ocl.dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "PMC members mailing list"
<modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx> |
Cc: |
Ed
Merks <ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> |
Date: |
03/17/2009 07:55 PM |
Subject: |
RE: [mdt-ocl.dev] RE: [modeling-pmc]
Transition Plan for MDT
OCLandEMF"QTV"Components? |
Folks,
It has
been brought to my attention that the information available at http://www.eclipse.org/projects/ip_log.php?projectid=modeling.mdt is not as accurate/correct as I had originally
assumed, and that a more accurate source for information on contributions to
the OCL component can be found in CVS at http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/www/modeling/mdt/eclipse-project-ip-log.csv?root=Eclipse_Website&view=markup. Apparently, Christian has been maintaining this
record fastidiously, despite the recent introduction of the automated IP
tracker.
Based on this more accurate record, I’m afraid the
list of new committers needs to be reduced slightly:
Adolfo Sánchez-Barbudo
Herrera (opencanarias.com)
Laurent Goubet
(obeo.fr)
Edward Willink
(willink.me.uk)
Aleksandr Igdalov
(borland.com)
Sorry for any confusion.
Cheers,
Kenn
Hussey
Program Manager, Modeling and Design Solutions
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From: mdt-ocl.dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mdt-ocl.dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kenn Hussey
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:54 PM
To: MDT OCL mailing list; PMC
members mailing list
Cc: Ed Merks
Subject: RE: [mdt-ocl.dev] RE: [modeling-pmc] Transition Plan for MDT
OCLandEMF"QTV"Components?
So, based on the discussion
during the Modeling PMC call, we will appoint (only) the individuals from the
proposed list who have made prior contributions to the OCL component. Based on
the IP log at http://www.eclipse.org/projects/ip_log.php?projectid=modeling.mdt, this would include the following
individuals:
Adolfo Sánchez-Barbudo Herrera (opencanarias.com)
Laurent Goubet (obeo.fr)
Anthony Hunter
(ca.ibm.com)
Edward Willink
(willink.me.uk)
Aleksandr Igdalov
(borland.com)
Is anyone (who has been a contributor) missing from
this list? This new team will have to decide amongst themselves who should be
the new component lead… Once that has been done (and we’ve confirmed that the
list is complete), I’ll forward the names to the EMO on behalf of the
PMC.
Cheers,
Kenn
Hussey
Program Manager, Modeling and Design Solutions
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From: mdt-ocl.dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mdt-ocl.dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kenn Hussey
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:30 AM
To: PMC members mailing
list
Cc: MDT OCL
mailing list; Ed Merks
Subject: [mdt-ocl.dev] RE: [modeling-pmc] Transition Plan for MDT OCL
andEMF"QTV"Components?
Team,
As lead of the MDT project, of
which OCL is a component, I would like to stress Rich’s point that this is not
a “land grab”. As far as I understand things, if we’re not going to hold a
Termination Review, it’s up to the PMC (and me as this component’s
representative to the PMC) to appoint a new set of committers. This set must
be based on the principles of the Eclipse Development Process (e.g. history of
contributions), and the new team must agree with the current scope of the OCL
component. Should we wish to deviate from either of these, I would suggest a
Termination Review as a more appropriate course of action.
BTW, we will be discussing this
at today’s Modeling PMC meeting, details of which can be found at http://wiki.eclipse.org/Modeling_PMC_Meeting,_2009-03-17.
Cheers,
Kenn
Hussey
Program Manager, Modeling and Design Solutions
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From: modeling-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:modeling-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Gronback
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009
9:11 AM
To: PMC
members mailing list
Cc: Ed Merks
Subject: Re: [modeling-pmc] Transition Plan for MDT OCL and
EMF"QTV"Components?
Yes, of course. This underscores my point
of assigning new committers based on contribution; after all, it’s not a land
grab ;)
With that, I’d be interested to know the level of effort each
expects they will be able to apply toward maintaining the component. I think
we all agree Christian has set a pretty high bar on what’s
expected.
Thanks,
Rich
On 3/17/09 9:04 AM, "Adolfo
Sánchez-Barbudo Herrera" <adolfosbh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Rich,
I think you could have a
quick idea if you have a look to the IP Log for the MDT
project:
http://www.eclipse.org/projects/ip_log.php?projectid=modeling.mdt
Cheers,
Adolfo.
Richard Gronback escribió:
I suggest that each proposed committer
present a list of contributions they
have made to MDT OCL, in order for
each to be evaluated on the meritocratic
basis upon which Eclipse projects
operate.
Thanks,
Rich
On 3/16/09 11:04 AM, "Freddy
Allilaire" <freddy.allilaire@xxxxxxx>
<mailto:freddy.allilaire@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi
Ed,
Here is the proposed set of committers for MDT/OCL
subproject
lead : Freddy Allilaire
committers :
Anthony
Hunter
Bernd Kolb
another SAP guy ;-)
Laurent Goubet
Bernd :
we'll soon need the "SAP guy" name ;-)
Regards,
Freddy
Ed
Merks a écrit :
Guys,
I've
asked the EMO about how to handle this and they are fine if we
simply
identify for each component a new set of committers. So I'll
expect to see
a proposed set of committers, including a lead, for each
component *by the
end of next week*, and then I'll go forward with
that
list.
Cheers,
Ed
Anthony Hunter
wrote:
So Christian, are you willing
to baby sit the components on your own
time until a termination
review?
Or would you rather vote in a some committers on each of
these
components to take over next week, with the provision that
things
could change based on the to be scheduled termination
review?
Cheers...
Anthony
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Software Development Manager: Eclipse Open Source
Components
IBM Rational Software: Aurora / GEF / GMF / Modeling
Tools
Phone: 613-270-4613
Inactive hide details for "Christian
W. Damus" ---03/12/2009 10:16:29
AM---Hi, Kenn, Thanks for your prompt
input. That has be"Christian W.
Damus" ---03/12/2009 10:16:29 AM---Hi,
Kenn, Thanks for your prompt
input. That has been my understanding,
too.
From:
"Christian W. Damus" <give.a.damus@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:give.a.damus@xxxxxxxxx>
To:
PMC members mailing list <modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:modeling-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:
03/12/2009 10:16 AM
Subject:
[modeling-pmc] Re: [emf-dev] Re: [mdt-ocl.dev] Transition Plan for
MDT
OCL and EMF"QTV"
Components?
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Hi,
Kenn,
Thanks for your prompt input. That has been my understanding,
too.
Perhaps the name of this review mechanism is problematic: it
should
be called the
"Please-help-Eclipse-to-decide-what-to-do-with-this-project Review."
:-)
I shall work up some slides, then, for termination reviews of
these
components and send them out for feed-back before asking the EMO
to
schedule the reviews. These slides will make it clear that there
is,
in my opinion, sufficient interest to re-boot these components
with
new committers under new leadership and that this should be
the
recommended course of action. As I understand it, the
interested
parties will have an opportunity to collaborate on the new
road-map,
committer team, and leadership for these
components.
Thanks!
Christian
On 12-Mar-09, at 8:50
AM, Kenn Hussey wrote:
Christian,
The process for ³vaulting of
individuals into committer
positions² IS the Termination Review, AFAIK. To
be clear,
a Termination Review does not automatically mean
the
project/component will be terminated/archived; it gives
the
community the chance to step up and potentially do a
reboot. I don¹t think
we can/should replace all of the
committers (only one in this case) with
new ones via the
usual voting process unless we can justify the
new
committers based on meritocracyŠ
Cheers,
*Kenn
Hussey
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[_mailto:emf-dev-bounces@eclipse.org_] *On Behalf Of
*Christian W.Damus*
Sent:* Thursday, March
12, 2009 8:40 AM*
To:* PMC members mailing list*
Cc:* MDT OCL mailing
list; Eclipse Modelling Framework*
Subject:* [emf-dev] Re: [mdt-ocl.dev]
Transition Plan for
MDT OCL and EMF"QTV"
Components?
Hi,
Thanks to Anthony, Cédric, and Bernd for
expressing
willingness to commit to the continued vitality of
these
components! It's great to see such support.
Just to be clear,
again: as I understand it, Termination
Review is the only process by which
a project's committer
team might be changed /en masse/ on events such as
this,
and the preferred outcome for all stakeholders is always
that the
project continue under new leadership with a new
committer team.
If
there is another mechanism available, or if the
Modeling PMC can direct a
transition, please let me know!
I prefer a smooth transition of these
components into
willing and capable hands. For example, if the PMC
can
approve the vaulting of individuals into committer
positions that
they would not, under normal
circumstances, yet have earned, then that
works for me.
Kenn? Ed? What is your recommendation as PMC reps for
the
projects involved?
Thanks,
Christian
On
11-Mar-09, at 5:30 PM, Christian W. Damus wrote:
Hello, my
PMC,
As most of you already know, I have been unemployed for
some
time now. That interval is now coming to an end, to
my great
relief.
However, in my new employment, the job description does
not
include time to spend on development of the Eclipse
Modeling components on
which I am currently a committer.
Nor would I expect it to, as the work is
quite removed
from the MDD sphere.
I would not be able to contribute
as a committer on these
components to the standard expected of the
Eclipse
community, and certainly not my own standard, on my own
personal
time. Therefore, I shall need to relinquish my
committer rights on the MDT
OCL component and the EMF
Query, Transaction, and Validation components as
of next
week.
The problem is, of course, that I am the only
committer
on these components. As I understand the Eclipse process,
a
Project that finds itself without any committers
proceeds to Termination
Review in the hope that the
project can be re-staffed. Is the same true
of
Components? Can we assume that the rules of the new
process (in which
these components that are still
Components would be Projects) should
apply?
Please
advise.
Thanks,
Christian
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