Re: [m2e-users] Plugin execution not coveredby lifecycleconfiguration

[Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.boutemy@xxxxxxx>]

now I think I can understand the rationale
I'll try to work on some plugins: yes, the situation should improve in the 
next months

> We can write some tools
> to walk Maven Central and build up an inventory of plugins
What about a wiki page along with the "M2E plugin execution not covered" 
article, to let people complete the list?

Regards,

Hervé

Le lundi 27 juin 2011, Jason van Zyl a écrit :
> On Jun 27, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Igor Fedorenko <igor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:
> >> For example, none of "mojo" enhancement
> >> requests we received so far [1] can be supported by neither <ignore/>
> >> nor <execute/> mapping, so improving ways to stores these mappings seems
> >> like a wrong problem to solve.
> > 
> > IMO, the new M2E wants to be really clever. I have to admit, that I
> > would prefer it to be not so clever while maintaining the feeling that
> > I can control it.
> 
> Really, it attempts not to be clever at all. M2E wants to be told
> specifically what to do in order for a project to work correctly in an
> Eclipse workspace. If there is no deterministic way to know that then we
> consider that an error. We believe it was a mistake not to do this from
> the beginning because while there are no red markers in your face the
> unwanted side effects of allowing everything to run puts the M2E project
> in an unmaintainable state as far as having the resources to field all the
> problems this non-deterministic behavior causes. M2E must know about the
> plugins it is attempting to execute to function correctly, and while in
> the short term this appears painful -- and most users don't see much
> beyond their own problems, let's be honest -- it is probably not going to
> take long in practical terms to get coverage for most of the commonly used
> plugins. Additionally writing Maven plugins for developers who want to
> support users in Eclipse will have to account for the real support effort
> in Eclipse if they want the Maven plugins to behave correctly.
> 
> At the height of development of M2E Sonatype had close to 10 people working
> on this plugin full-time to get it to the point where folks like Fred
> could make the WTP integration work. We cannot know what every Maven
> plugin does and we know from hard won experience that when problems arise
> due to plugins misbehaving  M2E is blamed. It is now clear that it is the
> plugin author, or its community of users who are responsible for making
> plugins work correctly and cohesively inside of Eclipse. Being inundated
> with IP work related to clearing all the dependencies -- which is very
> important -- and doing a massive amount of work on M2E itself we just ran
> out of time trying to build up a starter inventory of lifecycle mappings.
> We needed to settle things down and prepare for Indigo. Such is life.
> 
> Igor has been writing documentation so that we can scale the development of
> Maven plugins that have real support in M2Eclipse. In three months with
> some effort from the community I believe all highly used Maven plugins
> will have lifecycle mappings in the market place. We can write some tools
> to walk Maven Central and build up an inventory of plugins and we can help
> people understand what needs to be done to make the plugins work correctly
> in Eclipse. Over time we may be able to create more general solutions
> (like some changes I have made in the next version of the Maven plugin
> API) but I think we need to do some learning as a community about what
> works. As the developers we known absolutely without a doubt that letting
> anything run is not a viable solution and that collecting information
> about how plugins execute is. In the future we may be able prevent more
> problems by analysis of the mapping metadata (for example when two plugins
> run in the same phase where the same resource is affected) to make things
> even better.
> 
> This is M2E 1.0 and this is the point where the project needs to remain
> stable pretty much forever and this is where we wanted to start so that in
> the near feature M2E works as well as possible and continues to work that
> way. What we were doing previously simply would not allow this.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jason
> 
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> Jason van Zyl
> Founder,  Apache Maven
> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
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> 
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