| Re: [jakartaee-tck-dev] Maintenance Release 8.0.3? |
We're at 99% passing with the Web Profile TCK, down to 187 failures. We'll definitely have a handful of challenges ourselves, so we'd also support (and could even help create) an 8.0.3.
David, that is awesome that TomEE is passing 99%!
Congratulations on the progress ahead! Thanks for volunteering
also for creating the 8.0.3 service release! IMO, we should nail
down the rules a bit more (based on input given in this thread and
from SPEC committee later).
When I did the 9.0.2 service release, I wrote down some notes on
what I did via
https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/wiki/TCK-Challenge-processing-status.
The notes are brief but they give an outline of the tasks done.
Timing-wise, though, we'd prefer to spend the next couple weeks focused on 9.1 so we can help validate the optional ORB changes. We could definitely help with an 8.0.3 afterwards. It wouldn't be immediately after as there would be some time needed to talk through the challenges, but hopefully just a few weeks after. The 9.1 release is likely to be sometime in April, so perhaps that'd make an 8.0.3 sometime in June.
Olivier, would this timeline work for you? What do others think?
I think that this is an amazing and timely topic, as when I did the service releases for EE 9, I questioned what the schedule really should be. I know some projects that will do multiple releases in a short period of time to help others. I also know some projects that will not release more than once a month. My take away is that we should decide as a community, what the cadence should be for our TCK service release schedule.
Having said ^ about timeline, the current TCK process does give some guidelines https://jakarta.ee/committees/specification/tckprocess:
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I quoted some relevant text above, perhaps there can be different interpretations of what it means for filing a challenge against the exact TCK version. I assume that means that challenges are specific for one exact TCK version. Does that mean we should have new (Jakarta EE 8 targeted) TCK challenges that duplicate the accepted (Jakarta EE 9) challenges?
From a timeline perspective, is the `immediate update and release of an official distribution of the TCK including the new exclude list` depending on someone to volunteer to do the update/release? If yes, I think we should ask for a volunteer from TCK committers that aren't currently on critical path for Jakarta EE 9.1.
Thoughts?
Scott
On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:50 AM, Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Olivier,
Right now, there were no plans for an 8.0.3 release of the TCK. Not saying there couldn't be an 8.0.3 TCK release -- it's just that there were no plans.
In the past, fixes to the Java EE TCK were not automatically backported to previous TCK releases. Since Java EE didn't have the big breaking change like we did with the "jakarta" namespace, it was more straight forward to just direct users of the Java EE TCK to the newer versions. So, this "javax" to "jakarta" namespace change has definitely introduced a wrinkle into the support statements.
We want and need teams to move forward to the "jakarta" namespace in Jakarta EE 9. That's where our focus is on maintaining and enhancing the TCK bucket. But, we still want to encourage the Jakarta brand by getting more TCK compatible implementations -- whether it's for Jakarta EE 8, or 9, or 9.1...
So, maybe we should start with that question... What are Webtide's plans on supporting Jakarta EE 9? Is Jakarta EE 8 compatibility an "end game", or do you have plans to move forward to Jakarta EE 9?
And, the other question is how many changes are you targeting for this backport? We have to weigh the costs of this backporting exercise along with the release process against the costs of making progress with 9.1 and beyond -- which will help with the long-term livelihood of Jakarta.
This is an excellent discussion point. But, as you can see, there's no easy answer. :-) Thanks for raising the question.
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From: Olivier Lamy <olamy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: jakartaee-tck developer discussions <jakartaee-tck-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 03/02/2021 15:58
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [jakartaee-tck-dev] Maintenance Release 8.0.3?
Sent by: "jakartaee-tck-dev" <jakartaee-tck-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi
Is there any plan to release a 8.0.3?
with some fixes backport? (I'm interested with this one
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_eclipse-2Dee4j_jakartaee-2Dtck_pull_562&d=DwICAg&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=R9dtOS3afYnRUmu_zogmh0VnVYl2tse_V7QBUA9yr_4&m=3Vb3-CGoObTzZTnNFtk0F2FwehNBDTUdSoYJEXN0n9M&s=FS9b-MBCGKcjlC0P2GC6RlzHvQBlQ6XIWDn694WzBqY&e= )
and maybe more?
cheers
--
Olivier
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