| Re: [jakartaee-tck-dev] Finalizing the TCKs |
@ScottThank you for the information Scoot.I forgot you just returned from vacation.@Ed @Amelia @ScottI extended the Doodle for next week because so far the only matching date between Ed, Amelia, and myself is tomorrow Friday, Aug 28 at 13:00 Pacific Time and I think that will give the chance to Scott to fill out the pool too.--RegardsCesar Hernandez_______________________________________________On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 8:23 PM Scott Marlow <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Sorry, I am still catching up on tasks myself and haven't yet added my
availability info yet. I definitely want to attend.
More inline below...
On 8/24/20 1:24 PM, Ed Bratt wrote:
> At one point, I had thought this meeting might be today, but I am now
> busy at noon and 1 PM PDT. Sorry if that was going to be the plan.
Good to hear that you also plan to attend Ed (based on availability).
>
> -- Ed
>
> On 8/24/2020 9:43 AM, Cesar Hernandez wrote:
>> Hi Scoot,
>>
>> Sorry about the late response. Did I miss the call?
>>
>>
>> No, the doodle pool is still open for entries. So far it seems the end
>> of this week is a potential date. Feel free to fill out the pool.
>>
>> Also, I would like to add
>> https://www.eclipse.org/community/eclipse_newsletter/2020/august/3.php
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.eclipse.org/community/eclipse_newsletter/2020/august/3.php__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6cyxaJfs$>
>>
>>
>> I saw the article was just released last Friday, congratulations for
>> such great content!
Thanks! :-)
>> My opinion is that this is definitely something we can build from
>> along with content from the presentation we delivered a couple of
>> months ago.
+100
>>
>> Do we have any further ideas for allowing contributors to update
>> the wiki? Or is that the idea of having the call?
>>
>>
>> The objective of the call is to plan those strategies that will
>> include not only wiki contribution but also hands-on community
>> contribution.
+100
>> Personally speaking, I'm trying also to understand better the gaps the
>> community can contribute to. Base on that I think we can plan an execute.
+100, I am learning a lot about the TCK process as we go through the
Jakarta EE 9 release. IMO, there are many things that we haven't yet
experienced in the community and can expect future learning
opportunities! Some specific areas that I mentioned in the above linked
article and some that I didn't:
1. Adding new platform tests for existing + new technologies. While we
can look to each SPEC API team to help, IMO, we need more community help
with this.
2. Updating the JPA DDL/DML scripts
(https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/tree/master/sql) for
supported databases for future JPA SPEC releases. Champions for each
supported database (including possibly adding other databases) will need
to step up from the community.
3. IMO, adding the voice of Jakarta EE developers to our Platform TCK
discussions is also important.
Scott
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>> Cesar Hernandez
>> https://twitter.com/CesarHgt
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://twitter.com/CesarHgt__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6JjMB_4M$>
>> http://www.tomitribe.com
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L64KnyDW0$>
>> https://www.tomitribe.io
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.tomitribe.io__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6ptX9qMs$>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 9:46 AM Scott Marlow <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Cesar, all,
>>
>> Sorry about the late response. Did I miss the call?
>>
>> Also, I would like to add
>> https://www.eclipse.org/community/eclipse_newsletter/2020/august/3.php
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.eclipse.org/community/eclipse_newsletter/2020/august/3.php__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6cyxaJfs$>
>>
>> as potential content for our next call (either to reference or to
>> build
>> from).
>>
>> More inline below.
>>
>> On 8/21/20 2:54 PM, Cesar Hernandez wrote:
>> > I saw already a couple of entries in the doodle pool.
>> > I think Monday, Aug 24 noon PT would be a good time to check
>> calendar
>> > matches and send the meeting invite for those who filled the
>> doodle pool.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards
>> > Cesar Hernandez
>> > https://twitter.com/CesarHgt
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://twitter.com/CesarHgt__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6JjMB_4M$>
>> > http://www.tomitribe.com
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L64KnyDW0$>
>> > https://www.tomitribe.io
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.tomitribe.io__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6ptX9qMs$>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 3:37 PM Cesar Hernandez
>> > <chernandez@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:chernandez@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> <mailto:chernandez@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:chernandez@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all!,
>> >
>> > I recall we started back in June a Jakarta community
>> outreach for
>> > TCK work [1] in the jakartaee-tck-dev mailing list.
>> >
>> > This had an initial outcome of participation in a Community Call
>> > explaining what the TCK was and engaging the community to
>> participate.
>> > Currently, we have a pending dedicated Jakarta Tech Talk
>> about it.
>> >
>> > Catching up with this and other threads, It seems TCK
>> documentation
>> > wiki has been updated with fresh content [2] that can help
>> to guide
>> > community participation.
>> > I want to propose a 45 min call next week with cc:
>> > jakarta.ee-community mailing list in order to iron the
>> strategy to
>> > facilitate and organize the collaboration.
>> > I just created this doodle to agree on a date and time in
>> case you
>> > find this useful and want to collaborate:
>> > https://doodle.com/poll/5byt4ywkzsss9xmn
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://doodle.com/poll/5byt4ywkzsss9xmn__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6OZLxoe0$>
>>
>> Do we have any further ideas for allowing contributors to update the
>> wiki? Or is that the idea of having the call?
>>
>> Thanks for bringing this up!
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > [1]
>> https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-tck-dev/msg00613.html
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-tck-dev/msg00613.html__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6k6AgSzw$>
>> > [2]
>> >
>> https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/wiki/Guide-For-Updating-the-TCK-User-Documentation-(Jakarta-EE-9)
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/wiki/Guide-For-Updating-the-TCK-User-Documentation-(Jakarta-EE-9)__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6D4y11mA$>
>> > --
>> > Regards
>> > Cesar Hernandez
>> > https://twitter.com/CesarHgt
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://twitter.com/CesarHgt__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6JjMB_4M$>
>> > http://www.tomitribe.com
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L64KnyDW0$>
>> > https://www.tomitribe.io
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.tomitribe.io__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6ptX9qMs$>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:46 PM Amelia Eiras
>> <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I meant to say, the feature to add Contributors to any git
>> > project under the Eclipse Foundation *is a reality*
>> after its
>> > revival in Q1 of 2019 from an almost 4 years sleep - bug.
>> > The bug took +8 months (well worth time prioritizing).
>> For that
>> > time & the result, I am most thankful to Chris and his
>> web team.
>> > Chris is cc'd here as well -- you are amazing Chris!!!
>> >
>> > I am now motivated to get back to that blog, finish it &
>> publish
>> > it this month to get more notice *that* such formidable
>> access
>> > exists and it welcomes active contributors to own their
>> weight
>> > in any project without being debt to the Committers of the
>> > project. :)
>> >
>> > Happy wknd Scott and Jakartees,
>> > Amelia Eiras
>> > twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6h_jDysw$>
>> <https://twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6mHHn0Sk$>>
>> > Tribe:http://tomitribe.com
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tomitribe.com__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6_-6QdOU$>
>> <http://tomitribe.com/
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tomitribe.com/__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6hGFpImo$>>
>> > https://tribestream.io
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tribestream.io__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6ETT_eRA$>
>> <https://tribestream.io/
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tribestream.io/__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6BtXoImg$>>
>> > OSS:http://microprofile.io
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://microprofile.io__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6i05yjyU$>
>> https://jakarta.ee
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://jakarta.ee__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6j8aVRkA$>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 3:34 PM Amelia Eiras
>> > <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hola Scott,
>> >
>> > I have been researching a few moments before closing
>> my days
>> > to see a way around this.
>> > In MicroProfile though I am a committer, submitting
>> PRs are
>> > the way to go while collaborating on documentations.
>> It is
>> > easy after forking the repo on my github account.
>> >
>> > True that
>> > - to copy/paste changes into a git issue to have
>> others with
>> > access merge those contributions is poor at best OSS
>> etique
>> > & won't enhance nor welcome others to collaborate.
>> >
>> > Current issue is a positive step forward for the
>> Jakarta EE
>> > TCK about how it chooses to manage community
>> contributions
>> > updates in the wiki while still keeping healthy
>> control of
>> > the space.
>> >
>> > Early this year, I -- with the help of wonderful
>> Christopher
>> > Guindon - Manager, Web Development | Eclipse
>> Foundation and
>> > a few others (not only MicroProfilers)~20
>> individuals in the
>> > ticket contributing, we revived a +4 years old
>> github bug
>> > that affects positively all the Contributors under
>> the EF:
>> > Bug 483563 - Allow assignment of Github issues to
>> > contributors
>> >
>> <https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=483563
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=483563__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6iDUVfRs$>>
>> > Since the middle of December last year, active
>> contributors
>> > in any Eclipse project can be added to any Repo. It just
>> > need to be executed by the Project itself.
>> >
>> > I owe (got sidetracked with the heavy duty work
>> > collaborating on the creation of the MP working
>> group + MP
>> > is prohibit from releasing MP 4.0 so the blog took a
>> step
>> > back as we have no use for it YET] Chris and the EF web
>> > team the publishing of that blog still, title: [MP
>> > Blog]Adding Contributors to the MP Repository #230
>> >
>> <https://github.com/eclipse/microprofile-marketing/issues/230
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/eclipse/microprofile-marketing/issues/230__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6CRBZJoE$>>
>> >
>> > How about we use the draft of the blog to pilot with the
>> > Jakarta EE TCK adding me as a contributor to the Repo
>> > itself. The steps are simple enough but THIS
>> awesome new
>> > contributors feature have yet to be tested. I
>> welcomed you
>> > to do some research using the bug tracing -- a few other
>> > tickets were opened/closed to fix the issue and still
>> > protect the projects. :)
>> >
>> > I appreciate you, your follow up shows much care
>> Scott, you
>> > are awesome! -- lets try stuff, fail fast,
>> learn/unlearn and
>> > re-try, openly!
>> > Amelia Eiras
>> > twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6h_jDysw$>
>> <https://twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6mHHn0Sk$>>
>> > Tribe:http://tomitribe.com
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tomitribe.com__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6_-6QdOU$>
>> <http://tomitribe.com/
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tomitribe.com/__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6hGFpImo$>>
>> > https://tribestream.io
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tribestream.io__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6ETT_eRA$>
>> <https://tribestream.io/
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tribestream.io/__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6BtXoImg$>>
>> > OSS:http://microprofile.io
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://microprofile.io__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6i05yjyU$>
>> https://jakarta.ee
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://jakarta.ee__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6j8aVRkA$>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:38 PM Scott Marlow
>> > <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/5/20 3:21 PM, Amelia Eiras wrote:
>> > > Scott,
>> > >
>> > > Thank you for sending the links.
>> > > I will start the follow-up via the Wikis
>> later today.
>> > Thank YOU! :)
>> >
>> > Amelia,
>> >
>> > I found
>> >
>> https://docs.github.com/en/github/building-a-strong-community/adding-or-editing-wiki-pages#adding-or-editing-wiki-pages-locally
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.github.com/en/github/building-a-strong-community/adding-or-editing-wiki-pages*adding-or-editing-wiki-pages-locally__;Iw!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6jDOZ4ds$>
>> >
>> > today and am sharing the link here in case it helps
>> > you/others.
>> >
>> > Following the article instructions I could clone
>> > git@xxxxxxxxxx:eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck.wiki.git but
>> > didn't seem able
>> > to clone
>> > https://github.com/scottmarlow/jakartaee-tck.wiki.git
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/scottmarlow/jakartaee-tck.wiki.git__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6Elw0ITs$>
>> > which was
>> > disappointing.
>> >
>> > I haven't yet found out if the wiki web interface
>> > perhaps allows
>> > non-committers to create pull requests on the fly
>> > perhaps somehow.
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Amelia Eiras
>> > > twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6h_jDysw$>
>> > <http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6h_jDysw$>>
>> > <https://twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6mHHn0Sk$>>
>> > > Tribe:http://tomitribe.com
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tomitribe.com__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6_-6QdOU$>
>> <http://tomitribe.com/
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tomitribe.com/__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6hGFpImo$>>
>> > > https://tribestream.io
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tribestream.io__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6ETT_eRA$>
>> <https://tribestream.io/
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tribestream.io/__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6BtXoImg$>>
>> > > OSS:http://microprofile.io
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://microprofile.io__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6i05yjyU$>
>> https://jakarta.ee
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://jakarta.ee__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6j8aVRkA$>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 6:50 AM Scott Marlow
>> > <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hola Amelia,
>> > >
>> > > I removed the platform ml from this
>> response as
>> > Kevin Sutter already
>> > > included enough information in his response.
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 4:27 PM Amelia Eiras
>> > <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hola Scott,
>> > >
>> > > I am happy to help the wiki write-up
>> after it
>> > is started :)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I started some draft updates to create a few
>> > levels of landing pages
>> > > via
>> > https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/wiki
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/wiki__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6xk6vhuo$>.
>>
>> > Please do
>> > > let me know if you are able to create a pull
>> > request for the wiki.
>> > > I tried googling for how non-committers
>> could do
>> > that but didn't
>> > > find a reasonable solution.
>> > >
>> > > I added a question to the Q+A sub-page
>> about how
>> > to add questions
>> > > and answered that questions can be added by
>> > sending mail to the
>> > > Platform TCK mailing list.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/wiki/Jakarta-EE-9-Platform-TCK-Questions---Answers
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/wiki/Jakarta-EE-9-Platform-TCK-Questions---Answers__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6_ZPUFQQ$>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sadly, I always have a conflict at
>> 8am PDT on
>> > Tuesdays so I
>> > > cannot join the Platform calls,
>> however like
>> > you said, there is
>> > > no need to wait to start lowering the
>> bar to
>> > entry.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > +1
>> > >
>> > > I am most happy to work with you and
>> other
>> > Jakartees on the
>> > > documentation.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Thank you!
>> > >
>> > > Lets not wait to have everything figured
>> > out. If we start the
>> > > write up, it is most likely that
>> #ossDOERs by
>> > jumping into help
>> > > with TCK, could help improve the process
>> > itself, I see them
>> > > submitting PRs against the
>> documenation that
>> > in turn helps to
>> > > clarify the reality of HOW TCK
>> Contributing
>> > Works. Mojo is:
>> > > try, fail-fast & openly, learn, unlearn &
>> > reiterate.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > +1
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Please pull me in when starting that
>> > write-up. See you in git,
>> > > my ID: aeiras.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I included "@aeiras" in the comment for a
>> wiki
>> > page update, I'm not
>> > > sure if that is ignored or processed by
>> github.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Abrazos,
>> > >
>> > > Amelia Eiras
>> > > twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6h_jDysw$>
>> > <http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6h_jDysw$>>
>> > <https://twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6mHHn0Sk$>>
>> > > Tribe:http://tomitribe.com
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tomitribe.com__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6_-6QdOU$>
>> > <http://tomitribe.com/
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tomitribe.com/__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6hGFpImo$>>
>> > > https://tribestream.io
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tribestream.io__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6ETT_eRA$>
>> <https://tribestream.io/
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tribestream.io/__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6BtXoImg$>>
>> > > OSS:http://microprofile.io
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://microprofile.io__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6i05yjyU$>
>> https://jakarta.ee
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://jakarta.ee__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6j8aVRkA$>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 9:23 AM Scott
>> Marlow
>> > <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Amelia,
>> > >
>> > > Adding platform-dev ml...
>> > >
>> > > The Platform call wasn't
>> scheduled for
>> > today, so perhaps
>> > > next week there
>> > > can be discussion about the
>> below. I did
>> > think more about
>> > > this and
>> > > would like to propose a few
>> adjustments
>> > to give the
>> > > community enough
>> > > time to give feedback but also
>> meet our
>> > schedule constraints.
>> > >
>> > > With regard to Standalone TCK
>> > deliverables, we can easily
>> > > stage new
>> > > builds of each Standalone TCKs,
>> however
>> > we can only promote
>> > > a specific
>> > > versioned Standalone TCK once
>> (with the
>> > last promoted TCK
>> > > version
>> > > targeted for EE 9 final release).
>> > >
>> > > So from a TCK perspective, I
>> propose that
>> > contributors
>> > > review TCK
>> > > documentation and create pull
>> requests
>> > over the next N days,
>> > > where N is
>> > > to be discussed further (perhaps
>> N could
>> > be 10 calendar days
>> > > including
>> > > some non-working days or some other
>> > duration yet to be
>> > > discussed).
>> > >
>> > > Whatever N is for the final date to
>> > create TCK documentation
>> > > pull
>> > > requests by, each SPEC API ballot
>> could
>> > work off of an
>> > > initial promoted
>> > > TCK (e.g. assuming no TCK test
>> failures
>> > and initial TCK doc
>> > > changes are
>> > > merged).
>> > >
>> > > If subsequent TCK documentation pull
>> > requests come in after
>> > > the SPEC API
>> > > ballot, the SPEC lead (or TCK
>> team) could
>> > push a new staged
>> > > Standalone
>> > > TCK update that could then be
>> promoted
>> > with the updated TCK
>> > > documentation.
>> > >
>> > > The only negative is that each
>> Standalone
>> > TCK that is
>> > > promoted after the
>> > > respective SPEC API ballot is
>> approved,
>> > would need to be
>> > > copied to
>> > > http://download.eclipse.org/jakartaee
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://download.eclipse.org/jakartaee__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6Vk_vR-w$>
>> (along with SHA
>> > sum).
>> > >
>> > > I suggest that we start following
>> ^ this
>> > week if no there
>> > > are no reasons
>> > > presented as to why we cannot
>> abide by
>> > the current schedule
>> > > for SPEC API
>> > > ballots and also still merge in
>> further
>> > TCK documentation
>> > > changes from
>> > > the community (while we have time
>> left
>> > for doing that after
>> > > SPEC API
>> > > ballots complete but before EE 9
>> is final).
>> > >
>> > > More responses inline below.
>> > >
>> > > On 8/3/20 6:24 PM, Amelia Eiras
>> wrote:
>> > > > Scott,
>> > > >
>> > > > I think your explanation is quite
>> > beneficial for
>> > > tomorrow's platform
>> > > > call, beyond that call and its
>> minutes.
>> > > > Releases have a deadline, that
>> means
>> > that expectations
>> > > need to be fluid
>> > > > yet clearly stated to simplify the
>> > process of the
>> > > release. I see you as
>> > > > a Mentor for this thread. :)
>> > >
>> > > Thank you, I think that we all
>> desire to
>> > bring more
>> > > community to the
>> > > Jakarta EE Platform TCK. IMO, we did
>> > very well with getting
>> > > community
>> > > contributions for the big bang
>> "EE 8 ==>
>> > EE 9" changes but
>> > > not as much
>> > > for other TCK changes, which
>> could be a
>> > number of reasons
>> > > (including
>> > > documentation/wiki need to
>> provide more
>> > 'how thinks work'
>> > > guidance to
>> > > developers.)
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > After I read your reply on the
>> why of
>> > time, I finally
>> > > understood the
>> > > > workaround time-limits, the
>> steps 1,
>> > 2... when dealing
>> > > with the TCK.
>> > > > I would go further and ask for
>> us to
>> > start the wiki under
>> > > the TCK
>> > > > documenting this.
>> > >
>> > > +1 I have been thinking that we
>> should
>> > update the initial
>> > > wiki page to
>> > > be a proper landing page that
>> links to
>> > sub-topics, so we can
>> > > have EE 9
>> > > development process topics as well as
>> > user oriented topics
>> > > (really,
>> > > should have no friction against
>> adding
>> > any type of
>> > > sub-topics with no
>> > > limit on amount of nesting).
>> > >
>> > > > With Jakarta EE, the TCK is
>> public yet
>> > its process is
>> > > > a complete vacuum with bare to
>> none
>> > documentation on what
>> > > to expect when
>> > > > contributing to it.
>> > >
>> > > Yes, it is a lot different
>> developing the
>> > TCK than just
>> > > using it, many
>> > > of the contributors may not be
>> users of
>> > the TCKs yet, for those
>> > > contributors it is even harder to
>> > understand the TCK internals.
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Up until now, we have never
>> discussed
>> > the bare minimum
>> > > expectations when
>> > > > TCK contributed. We ought to
>> fix that.
>> > >
>> > > +1
>> > >
>> > > > Related to Jakarta EE
>> contributing--
>> > last week, I was
>> > > candidly asked via
>> > > > a Java public forum on a
>> private slack
>> > group how much
>> > > time was ok to
>> > > > "wait" for a PR review/merge
>> or git
>> > issue accomplishment
>> > > under the
>> > > > Jakarta EE project *before
>> asking for
>> > help*. I said 72hrs
>> > > or so,
>> > > > patience and respect to
>> Contributors
>> > of the project means
>> > > we understand
>> > > > that their time, YOUR, MINE,
>> OURS, is
>> > the most precious
>> > > commodity & a
>> > > > contract if choosing to be a
>> #ossDOER
>> > that wants to have
>> > > impactful
>> > > > contributions.
>> > > >
>> > > > Lastly, I believe candid
>> conversations
>> > lead such as the
>> > > one you are
>> > > > beautifully facilitating lead to
>> > documentation.
>> > > Brainstorming and
>> > > > exchanges such as these ought
>> to make
>> > you and I scalable.
>> > >
>> > > +100 and thanks for taking the
>> time to
>> > contribute here!
>> > >
>> > > I see good
>> > > > ideas, values from those that
>> care to
>> > share *a
>> > > > direct acknowledgement to
>> scale stuff
>> > that is worth
>> > > broadening. * THAT I
>> > > > CARE THE MOST.
>> > >
>> > > +100
>> > > >
>> > > > Hugs,
>> > >
>> > > Ditto and have a great day! :-)
>> > >
>> > > Scott
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Amelia Eiras
>> > > > twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6h_jDysw$>
>> > <http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6h_jDysw$>>
>> > <http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6h_jDysw$>>
>> > > <https://twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6mHHn0Sk$>>
>> > > > Tribe:http://tomitribe.com
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tomitribe.com__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6_-6QdOU$>
>> > <http://tomitribe.com/
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tomitribe.com/__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6hGFpImo$>>
>> > > > https://tribestream.io
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tribestream.io__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6ETT_eRA$>
>> > <https://tribestream.io/
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tribestream.io/__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6BtXoImg$>>
>> > > > OSS:http://microprofile.io
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://microprofile.io__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6i05yjyU$>
>> > https://jakarta.ee
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://jakarta.ee__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6j8aVRkA$>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:03
>> PM Scott
>> > Marlow
>> > > <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
>> > > > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at
>> 12:59 PM
>> > Amelia Eiras
>> > > <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>> > <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>> > > >
>> <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hola Scott,
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Hola Amelia,
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks for responding!
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I have bias feedback
>> on how
>> > the window to
>> > > receive feedback ought
>> > > > to be set up.
>> > > > Bare with me and
>> thanks for
>> > brainstorming after
>> > > you consume this
>> > > > message.
>> > > >
>> > > > If an issue/PR is sent on
>> > Friday, do we expect
>> > > the contributors
>> > > > to work on it over the
>> weekend?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I agree that we do not
>> want them
>> > to work on it over
>> > > the weekend.
>> > > >
>> > > > If yes, why is that?
>> > > >
>> > > > Should we assume that
>> > contributions ought to
>> > > happen during the
>> > > > work week instead?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > +1
>> > > >
>> > > > WHY?
>> > > > the 72 hours period for
>> > example ought not to
>> > > contain the wknd.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Whether it is 78 hours or some
>> > other amount of time,
>> > > we still may
>> > > > have additional standalone TCK
>> > documentation pull
>> > > requests that come
>> > > > in after we have
>> "promotion" (e.g.
>> > copied to
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://download.eclipse.org/ee4j/jakartaee-tck/jakartaee9-eftl/promoted/jakarta-annotations-tck-2.0.0.zip
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://download.eclipse.org/ee4j/jakartaee-tck/jakartaee9-eftl/promoted/jakarta-annotations-tck-2.0.0.zip__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6ZX5SSF4$>)
>> > > > of the respective
>> versioned TCK.
>> > For example, if
>> > > �� >
>> > https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/issues/382
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/issues/382__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L68bzHFr4$>
>> > > is promoted
>> > > > on Wednesday instead of
>> Tuesday, a
>> > contributor could
>> > > notice on
>> > > > Thursday that an important TCK
>> > documentation should
>> > > be made, that we
>> > > > could increment the version
>> > > to jakarta-annotations-tck-2.0.1.zip and
>> > > > stage/promote that.
>> > > >
>> > > > Fyi, the "stage" term
>> refers to
>> > copying the latest
>> > > nightly TCK build
>> > > > to
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://download.eclipse.org/ee4j/jakartaee-tck/jakartaee9-eftl/staged-900
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://download.eclipse.org/ee4j/jakartaee-tck/jakartaee9-eftl/staged-900__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6c9xeJSI$>
>> > > > and "promotion" refers to
>> creating
>> > a versioned TCK.
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm not aware of any
>> problems with
>> > promoting multiple
>> > > versions of a
>> > > > TCK, however there could
>> be time
>> > constraints that
>> > > dictate whether to
>> > > > promote a specific TCK again.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > We as a community can
>> > contribute any day we
>> > > choose to, HOWEVER
>> > > > we ought to be aware AND
>> > PROTECTIVE that weekends
>> > > for many of us
>> > > > are free of professional
>> > work-devices.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Another approach could be
>> to start
>> > the time clock now
>> > > by emailing
>> > > > all of the various SPEC API
>> > contributors that their
>> > > feedback on the
>> > > > TCK documentation
>> contained in the
>> > respective TCK zip in
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://download.eclipse.org/ee4j/jakartaee-tck/jakartaee9-eftl/staged-900
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://download.eclipse.org/ee4j/jakartaee-tck/jakartaee9-eftl/staged-900__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6c9xeJSI$>
>> > > > is welcome in the form of pull
>> > requests on
>> > > >
>> > https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6nS-653w$>.
>> The
>> > > advantage of
>> > > > this approach is that
>> contributors
>> > would have more
>> > > time to contribute.
>> > > >
>> > > > Another advantage of
>> emailing all
>> > SPEC API
>> > > contributors now is that
>> > > > we don't yet have issues
>> for all
>> > of the SPEC API TCKs
>> > > created yet,
>> > > > so sending a generic email
>> to all
>> > could help get the
>> > > message out
>> > > > sooner so the TCK
>> documentation
>> > pull requests can
>> > > come in sooner.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > As such, I would recommend
>> > that the August 4th
>> > > gets moved to
>> > > > later to honor that
>> weekend
>> > ought not to be
>> > > included (yet are
>> > > > awesome plus to have)
>> on the
>> > window to contribute.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Also of importance is to
>> keep the
>> > SPEC API ballots
>> > > moving along and
>> > > > not getting blocked on the
>> > promotion of TCKs, as well
>> > > as not getting
>> > > > blocked on the TCK team
>> creating
>> > the tracking issues
>> > > for promoting TCKs.
>> > > >
>> > > > So, if we delay the August
>> 4th TCK
>> > promotions until
>> > > August 6th and
>> > > > send generic email today
>> to all of
>> > the SPEC API
>> > > mailing lists to
>> > > > review their respective
>> staged TCK
>> > zips (and create
>> > > pull requests on
>> > > >
>> > https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6nS-653w$>
>> for further
>> > > changes
>> > > > that are needed), that
>> might be
>> > more helpful.
>> > > >
>> > > > The following schedule
>> (from Ed's
>> > original email from
>> > > this thread)
>> > > > is what we are trying to
>> achieve
>> > with regard to
>> > > promoting the TCKs:
>> > > >
>> > > > "
>> > > >
>> > > > * Wave 0 (Any time)
>> > > >
>> > > > * Concurrency
>> > > > * Messaging
>> > > > * Persistence
>> > > > * (From the Platform TCK)
>> > > > o Web Services Metadata
>> > > >
>> > > > * Wave 1 (Any time)
>> > > >
>> > > > * Annotations
>> > > > * _expression_ Language
>> > > > * JSON Processing
>> > > > * Servlet
>> > > > * SOAP with Attachments
>> > > > * WebSocket
>> > > >
>> > > > * Wave 2 (Planned to
>> start July 28)
>> > > >
>> > > > * Authentication
>> > > > * Authorization
>> > > > * JSON Binding
>> > > > * Server Pages
>> > > >
>> > > > * Wave 3 (Planned to
>> start Aug 5)
>> > > >
>> > > > * XML Web Services
>> > > >
>> > > > * Wave 4 (Planned to
>> start Aug 11)
>> > > >
>> > > > * RESTful Web Services
>> > > > * Transaction
>> > > >
>> > > > * Wave 5 (Planned to
>> start Aug 18)
>> > > >
>> > > > * Connectors
>> > > > * Standard Tag Library
>> > > > * (From the Platform TCK)
>> > > > o Enterprise Beans
>> > > > o Enterprise Web
>> Services
>> > > >
>> > > > * Wave 6 (Planned to
>> start Aug 25
>> > > >
>> > > > * Security
>> > > > * Server Faces
>> > > >
>> > > > * Wave 7 (Planned to
>> start Aug 31)
>> > > >
>> > > > * Jakarta EE Web Profile
>> > > > * Jakarta EE Platform
>> > > >
>> > > > "
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Stay awesome formidable
>> > #ossDOER and happy August
>> > > to everyone here,
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks, you too! :-)
>> > > >
>> > > > Scott
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Amelia Eiras
>> > > > twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6h_jDysw$>
>> > <http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6h_jDysw$>>
>> > <http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6h_jDysw$>>
>> > > <https://twitter.com/ameliaeiras
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://twitter.com/ameliaeiras__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6mHHn0Sk$>>
>> > > >
>> Tribe:http://tomitribe.com
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tomitribe.com__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6_-6QdOU$>
>> > <http://tomitribe.com/
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>> > > > https://tribestream.io
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tribestream.io__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6ETT_eRA$>
>> > <https://tribestream.io/
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tribestream.io/__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6BtXoImg$>>
>> > > >
>> OSS:http://microprofile.io
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>> > https://jakarta.ee
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://jakarta.ee__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6j8aVRkA$>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at
>> 7:35 AM
>> > Scott Marlow
>> > > <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
>> > > > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, Jul 30,
>> 2020 at
>> > 9:57 PM Scott Marlow
>> > > >
>> <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > The committer teams
>> > need to review the
>> > > staged TCK
>> > > > content and give their
>> > > > +1 for the relevant
>> > TCK bundle to be
>> > > promoted. The
>> > > > promotion will
>> > > > freeze the TCK for
>> > release, which
>> > > essentially means it
>> > > > is frozen. If a
>> > > > blocking change in a
>> > TCK is needed, we
>> > > will re-release
>> > > > with a
>> > > > incremented version
>> > number as mentioned
>> > > below.
>> > > >
>> > > > The possible states
>> > that TCKs can
>> > > transition through are:
>> > > >
>> > > > * Staged via
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://download.eclipse.org/ee4j/jakartaee-tck/jakartaee9-eftl/staged-900
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://download.eclipse.org/ee4j/jakartaee-tck/jakartaee9-eftl/staged-900__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6c9xeJSI$>
>> > > >
>> > > > (each TCK zip may be
>> > updated multiple times).
>> > > >
>> > > > * Promoted via
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://download.eclipse.org/ee4j/jakartaee-tck/jakartaee9-eftl/promoted
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://download.eclipse.org/ee4j/jakartaee-tck/jakartaee9-eftl/promoted__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6WhDc9Jk$>
>> > > >
>> > > > (each versioned TCK
>> > zip is frozen
>> > > immediately, further
>> > > > changes can only
>> > > > appear via a version
>> > number increment).
>> > > >
>> > > > * Final release for
>> > Jakarta EE 9 via
>> > > >
>> https://download.eclipse.org/jakartaee/.
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://download.eclipse.org/jakartaee/.__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6xkjm0pg$>..
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 7/27/20 11:21 AM,
>> > Ed Bratt wrote:
>> > > > > Due to how the
>> > Specification Committee
>> > > has defined
>> > > > the process, any
>> > > > > change to the TCK
>> > requires are
>> > > re-release -- Docs.
>> > > > change, Exclude List
>> > > > > change, anything
>> > else that would
>> > > change content
>> > > > and/or generate a build
>> > > > > forces a version
>> > number increment.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I think the
>> > procedures described below
>> > > will allow us
>> > > > to stop builds,
>> > > > > once a
>> > Specification has gone to
>> > > ballot. So, that's
>> > > > my first concern. We
>> > > > > just need to follow
>> > the ballot
>> > > progress closely and
>> > > > not inadvertently
>> > > > > create an update
>> > that wasn't asked for.
>> > > >
>> > > > From a process point
>> > of view, I think
>> > > that the SPEC API
>> > > >
>> > representative/lead/committers can help
>> > > determine when
>> > > > it is time for
>> > > > the relevant TCK to
>> > transition from
>> > > Staged to Promoted
>> > > > state.
>> > > >
>> > > > Question, if we don't
>> > hear feedback from
>> > > a SPEC lead or
>> > > > committers, who
>> > > > can make the decision
>> > to proceed with
>> > > Promoting the
>> > > > TCK? Also how long
>> > > > should we wait for
>> > feedback?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > There is no
>> perfect amount
>> > of time to wait
>> > > for feedback, if
>> > > > we make it too
>> short, we
>> > may need to
>> > > stage/promote a newer
>> > > > standalone TCK version for
>> > further changes.
>> > > If we make it
>> > > > too long, we may never
>> > hear feedback and could
>> > > > jeopardize the EE 9 schedule.
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm thinking that
>> we can
>> > wait a few days
>> > > after pinging the
>> > > > SPEC API teams
>> (whether it
>> > is sending email
>> > > or pinging
>> > > > lead(s)).
>> > > >
>> > > > For example, for
>> > > >
>> > https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/issues/382
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/issues/382__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L68bzHFr4$>
>> we
>> > > > sent email to
>> > ca-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ca-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> <mailto:ca-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ca-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > <mailto:ca-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:ca-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:ca-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:ca-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:ca-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:ca-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:ca-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:ca-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>> > > <mailto:ca-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:ca-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > <mailto:ca-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:ca-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
>> > > > on Friday July 31
>> and will
>> > > >
>> > promote jakarta-annotations-tck-2.0.0.zip
>> > > first thing on
>> > > > Tuesday August 4, 2020 if
>> > we do not hear
>> > > feedback.
>> > > >
>> > > > Worse case, we
>> could later
>> > stage
>> > > >
>> > a jakarta-annotations-tck-2.0.1.zip if
>> > > further TCK pull
>> > > > requests for documentation
>> > changes are important.
>> > > >
>> > > > Scott
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Good news, it is now
>> > time for Staged
>> > > >
>> > jakarta-annotations-tck-2.0.0.zip
>> > > > to be reviewed via
>> > > >
>> > https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/issues/382
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/issues/382__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L68bzHFr4$>.
>> > > > Feedback is
>> > > > welcome (link to
>> > staged TCK zip is in the
>> > > issue)!
>> > > >
>> > > > Also good news, it is
>> > now time for Staged
>> > > >
>> > jakarta-_expression_-language-tck-4.0.0.zip
>> > > to be reviewed
>> > > > via
>> > > >
>> > https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/issues/387
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/issues/387__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6BDlpzhc$>.
>> > > >
>> > > > Once the relevant SPEC
>> > API lead and/or
>> > > committers has
>> > > > given their
>> > > > approval via the
>> > relevant jakartaee-tck
>> > > issue, we will
>> > > > Promote the
>> > > > related TCK.
>> > > >
>> > > > We have created some
>> > other similar
>> > > "Review and promote "
>> > > > tracking issues
>> > > > for other TCKs but
>> > help is needed to
>> > > created tracking
>> > > > issues for other
>> > > > TCKs still (open
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+Review+and+promote
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck/issues?q=is*3Aissue*is*3Aopen*Review*and*promote__;JSslKysr!!GqivPVa7Brio!Is1zgaU1Y7Jb4mzM4vFZdCyjdM5O8s56UzmgXG5hB6P3lAumBL9Dr8L6gf0UM8w$>
>> > > >
>> > > > for current issues).
>> > > >
>> > > > Scott
>> > > >
>> > > >
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