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Re: [jakartaee-spec-project-leads] Jakarta NoSQL and Eclipse MicroProfile Configuration
Reza, as has been pointed out to you several times already, whilst it’s fine to have discussions and opinions about other efforts happening elsewhere here, the final decisions for those efforts (e.g., Config) need to be driven by those communities (e.g., MP) and not by Jakarta EE. Just as I wouldn’t expect the MP community, say, to try to determine the future of a Jakarta EE specification or an open source effort happening in ASF, for example. So please take those thoughts and opinions to the right communities and let’s continue to respect them accordingly.

The notion that Oracle cannot contribute to MP due to issues around IP flow is not news to a number of individuals/groups within MP but it is good that it is now out in the open. I know that those discussions had already started within MP lists months ago anyway but had stalled due to the concerted effort by everyone to get Jakarta EE 8 out. Now I believe they will restart, so once again a great time for people (yourself included) to get involved in the right lists and with the correct community. However, I strongly suggest that statements like "if MicroProfile even can be said to have much of a defined process” be left behind because they can be too easily misinterpreted in the negative and lead to conflicts and defensive behaviours that won’t result in any easy resolution. Let’s all stick to the facts and behave accordingly.

Thanks,

Mark.


On 21 Sep 2019, at 15:32, reza_rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As Oracle leadership correctly mentioned during Oracle Code One, there are even bigger issues besides the fact that these are fundamentally different processes (if MicroProfile even can be said to have much of a defined process) and that this will introduce complexity, inconsistency and confusion basically forever for everyone involved - especially people that will need to advocate for this technology as independents. The IP flow for MicroProfile is murky. As a result, I don't think Oracle can even legally accept just incorporating MicroProfile into Jakarta EE without further proper standardization. This is indeed why Oracle employees are not allowed to contribute to MicroProfile today.

The fact that MicroProfile Configuration is stable is the very reason it makes sense to properly assimilate and harmonize it into Jakarta EE as opposed to keep it in MicroProfile any more. In my view, that cannot be said of many other if any other MicroProfile specifications.

Reza Rahman
Principal Program Manager
Java on Azure

Please note views expressed here are my own as an individual community member and do not reflect the views of my employer.

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From: Guillermo González de Agüero <z06.guillermo@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: 9/21/19 7:16 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: JakartaEE Spec Project Leadership discussions <jakartaee-spec-project-leads@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [jakartaee-spec-project-leads] Jakarta NoSQL and Eclipse MicroProfile Configuration

One problem I see with Jakarta EE depending on MP specs is the different backward compatibility policies. MP only allows breaking compatibility on major versions while I expect Jakarta EE to stay even more conservative (similar to Java EE).

In that sense, moving the Config spec to Jakarta EE (keeping the package) would basically stabilize its processes to the same level as Jakarta EE. The Config spec is pretty mature so this move wouldn't hurt it.

But for the time being, and given that we all agree we don't want to change packages, I think it's reasonable for Jakarta NoSQL to depend on MP Config while we decide how to handle this situation. In the end, the API will be the same.

El sáb., 21 sept. 2019 12:38, Emily Jiang <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:
Scott,
Jakarta JNoSQL needs to rely on MP Config. The discussion is to make MP Config adopted by Jakarta Specs without any package name changes. Jakarta specs are available to MP specs already. Personally, I would like to see MP specs to be adopted by Jakarta specs.
Thanks 
Emily 


On Sep 19, 2019 at 3:38 pm, <Scott Kurz> wrote:

As I'm reading this I'm trying to understand why there'd need to be a Jakarta Config spec in order for individual Jakarta specs like NoSQL, etc. to use MicroProfile Config.

Is this fundamentally different from the individual Jakarta specs evolving to use new Java language features (a process not controlled by Jakarta).

If it gets to the point that there are a set of special cases for Jakarta applications then maybe that would be a good time to launch a Jakarta Config spec, but for now couldn't individual specs just start using MP Config and see where it goes?

That said.. I think it's smart to discuss first and get a consensus this isn't a completely wrong direction to head down..

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