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Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [glassfish-dev] Removing Jakarta Enterprise Web Services, JSR 109 from GlassFish or not? 
Hi,

On 5/12/20 10:04 PM, arjan tijms wrote:

Hi,
Indeed, this just concerned 109 which is not JAX-WS. Removing it from the GlassFish code would, in my opinion, not be deleting the code but moving it to its own project.
I've done part of this move years ago when I tried to move it to metro-jax-ws project but never found time to finish it as other priorities were showing up, so that work actually never left my hard drive. Not sure I still have it somewhere... Anyway for the move to be possible, tests (TCKs and others) should be in place and working to avoid breaking stuff.
That way it could still be tested (and GlassFish could still be used for that), but it just would not be included in the downloadable and certified GF disto 

Anyway, maybe we can consider this for a future GF version.


...count with ~2 weeks should you want my ETA for this :-)

thanks,
--lukas



Kind regards,
Arjan
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 8:21 PM Steve Millidge (Payara) <steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

    Hi Tibor,____

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    We are not discussing specs here just whether GlassFish 6 needs to
    have it and it does as it is optional and we need an implementation
    of all optional specifications in GlassFish for now. ____

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    GlassFish isn’t the reference implementation of anything in Jakarta
    EE 9. ____

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    JSR109 isn’t JAX-WS it predates JAX-WS.____

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    Steve____

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    Web Services, JSR 109 from GlassFish or not?____

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    If GlassFish is the reference implementation of WS then you cannot
    remove it and the TCK tests have to support it.____

    I would be really happy if Jakarta synchronized the work with the
    group at IETF. ____

    If the SOAP RFC is updated then Jakarta has to support WS and keep
    updating Jakarta spec.____

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    Removing this spec kills the banks and government systems.____

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    Finally, Jakarta EE must have this spec forever.____

    The application server may implement it or not. And this is what I
    understand by "Optional" except for the reference implementation.____

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    Back to the API. JAX-WS and JAX-RS have different philosophy.____

    The RS is only a subset of WS, where WS can be used to e.g. transfer
    money over the bank accounts but RS works only with "data" as a
    resouce. Not everything is a resource.____

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    Feel free to propose a new RFC at IETF and a new API over JSON and
    miscellaneous implementations over JMS, HTTP, ...____

    Removing it is simple but creating a new one is difficult...____

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    On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 5:36 PM arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:____

        Hi,____

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        With JSR 109 being optional for Jakarta EE 9, is it the
        intention for this one to be removed from GlassFish?____

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        Kind regards,____

        Arjan____

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